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ray123so
2008-06-02, 21:48
好似好奇怪咁,係個ski forum ask this questioni
anyway ~ any suggestion??

Yogi
2008-06-02, 22:20
好似好奇怪咁,係個ski forum ask this questioni
anyway ~ any suggestion??
What is your budget?
What type of camera - digital or traditional film?

Ryann
2008-06-02, 23:42
買DC傻瓜機或者平價飛林單鏡反光機, 可以先從構圖, 曝光學起.
(言論並非專業意見:D:D)

Yogi
2008-06-03, 00:56
買DC傻瓜機或者平價飛林單鏡反光機, 可以先從構圖, 曝光學起.
Remember how to make a pin-hole camera like the old days?

ozman
2008-06-03, 16:08
Do u plan to invest to buy a digital SLR? or just 傻瓜機?

Your budget determines what you can buy.

jimmy
2008-06-03, 23:06
Canon 40D, but don't buy the kit lens. :D

ray123so
2008-06-04, 08:49
我唸住買個digital SLR
好多forum 都係講canon 40D 同nikon D80. which one better ga ....
don't buy the kit lens !? only buy the body ??

jimmy
2008-06-04, 10:13
我唸住買個digital SLR
好多forum 都係講canon 40D 同nikon D80. which one better ga ....
don't buy the kit lens !? only buy the body ??

I'm C kei, so recommend 40D. :)
Regarding to the kit lens EFS17-85 IS, many negative comments like purple fringing, no sharp, etc... I also EFS17-55 f2.8 IS, it's not worth in terms of imag quality. 1st choice should EF24-105 f4L (you may consider it's not wide enough on APS-C under x1.6 effect, it is a best buy lens), alternatively, those lenses designed for APS-C (range between 17-50) from Tokina, Sigma or Tamron and aperture range at f2.8.

You may take a look of my photos at below link. Those were taken by various lens under 30D and 5D. :D

Hope this help.

skier
2008-06-04, 10:17
我唸住買個digital SLR
好多forum 都係講canon 40D 同nikon D80. which one better ga ....
don't buy the kit lens !? only buy the body ??

Reviews from CNET:

Canon 40D:

http://www.cnet.com/4244-5_1-0.html?query=canon+40d&tag=srch&target=nw

Nikon D80:

http://www.cnet.com/4244-5_1-0.html?query=nikon+D80&tag=srch&target=nw

ozman
2008-06-04, 11:31
Think carefully before you decide to buy Canon or Nikon.

Once you stick with a brand and start to build your own collection of lenses, it is very difficult to change.
More precisely, it takes a lot of money to switch brands.

These days, digital camera bodies only last a few years, but lenses last much longer and far more expensive too.

Important to make a right decision up front.

BTW, I'm a Nikon fans.

Ryann
2008-06-04, 12:40
買機事小, 買鏡先係事大.
而家個market, canon係強D

ozman
2008-06-04, 13:53
A few years ago Canon was very strong in the digital SLR market as it entered it so early...

But for the past few years, Nikon has been chasing up very quickly. So Canon is losing its advantage bit by bit...

Graham Chung
2008-06-06, 15:54
我唸住買個digital SLR
好多forum 都係講canon 40D 同nikon D80. which one better ga ....
don't buy the kit lens !? only buy the body ??
其實有關CN之爭已是世紀不能分出勝負的事。正所謂各有各好。小弟以前用Canon10D
佩一枝EF28-105 3.5和一枝EF70-200發/4L走江湖。當時唔喺咁識影相,慢慢邊用邊學後來先知道光圈的用途,景深及快門步捉。到而家學會用連拍把Sports及動感照步捉。起初都以為Canon的EF Lens Ultrasonic的對焦應該會快少少對連拍拿到好相的機會及數目應該會大D。但實際上我忽視了拍到照片後的真正質感,原來Canon的真正賣點就係容易操作而如果佩上原裝Software同Printer才有非常好的效果。否則若要追求完美質感,今時今日,OZMAN講得無錯, NIKON本身無論在對焦方面, 51對9區十字中央,已經超越好幾倍。如果你有機會模模部機,齋系試個快門反應, Canon40D非常單薄5D先至叫做有料到但可惜粒Chips已經過時等MARK II吧.相反Nikon就唔同.就算抵系D-80,過Shutter feel都好窄實同震盪感非常之低. Body Chips已經可以追上EF Lens的Ultrasonic對焦速度影賽車,滑雪,賽馬都無問題了。加上鏡頭佩上VR避震.影到連拍的準確度的相片亦都會多D片。 Nikon亦增加咗一枝移柚鏡同Canon睇齊,所以不用擔心了.:D

Elvin
2008-06-06, 16:17
我都來加把口:p 我都係初哥, 都係想買機.
亦清楚兩派陣營各有各賣點, 各有各擁護者.

問咗四個高手朋友既意見, 以兩系既最新入門級, 佢哋都推薦Canon 450D而唔係Nikon D60. 主要係D60冇built in摩打.

其中一個朋友叫我簡單啲, 買450D連kit鏡18-55mm 算數 (咁你諗到我係真係超基本要求既入門級, 從頭學起)

我問有冇一鏡走天涯, 大家都叫我睇吓Sigma 18-200mm f3.5-6.3 DC OS

各位師兄意下如何?
註: 我真係乜都唔識所以可能會轉逹錯咗高手朋友既意思或用詞, 或者我詞不逹意:p

jimmy
2008-06-06, 21:50
我都來加把口:p 我都係初哥, 都係想買機.
亦清楚兩派陣營各有各賣點, 各有各擁護者.

問咗四個高手朋友既意見, 以兩系既最新入門級, 佢哋都推薦Canon 450D而唔係Nikon D60. 主要係D60冇built in摩打.

其中一個朋友叫我簡單啲, 買450D連kit鏡18-55mm 算數 (咁你諗到我係真係超基本要求既入門級, 從頭學起)

我問有冇一鏡走天涯, 大家都叫我睇吓Sigma 18-200mm f3.5-6.3 DC OS

各位師兄意下如何?
註: 我真係乜都唔識所以可能會轉逹錯咗高手朋友既意思或用詞, 或者我詞不逹意:p

Elivn 兄,

大家交流下!:D
'天涯鏡'兩頭唔到岸!:confused: 影景成像麻麻,影人唔夠景深!
不過,Canon 果支 kit lens 真係一般。不如買支紅圈鏡,EF 17-40mm f4L ,APS-C機 x1.6 果range 等如標準 focal length,將來上full frame時可用返做廣角鏡。;)

Elvin
2008-06-06, 22:09
Jimmy兄,喺呢邊見到你哈哈。
喂,我真係唔識...乜嘢係紅圈鏡。你句嘢我成句都唔明:D
唔想離題阻到大家,我哋pm再傾。

Graham Chung
2008-06-07, 18:02
Jimmy兄,喺呢邊見到你哈哈。
喂,我真係唔識...乜嘢係紅圈鏡。你句嘢我成句都唔明:D
唔想離題阻到大家,我哋pm再傾。
Elvin兄:
上Canon網站download份eos鏡頭pdf catalogue你就明Jimmy哥講緊乜啦!或者上去Canon尖沙咀Office showroom度拿一份問嚇專家都得.
至於天涯鏡,老實講我個人應為無呢樣嘢.玩得DLSR,就預咗玩鏡頭.如果唔喺,不如玩Prosumer機啦. Canon Powershot G9首選,要28mm廣角,可以考慮Panasonic同Ricoh機.真係想要部機有少少DLSR feel但又唔想買鏡頭慨話,可以考慮部富士Fujifilm Finepix S-100FS或S-9600.:eek:

Elvin
2008-06-08, 09:54
不過,Canon 果支 kit lens 真係一般。不如買支紅圈鏡,EF 17-40mm f4L ,APS-C機 x1.6 果range 等如標準 focal length,將來上full frame時可用返做廣角鏡。;)

我好努力咁上網睇咗啲基本知識,我而家明你講乜:p

Graham兄,亦都多謝意見:)

Elvin
2008-06-11, 15:26
多謝 [多得:p] Graham兄提點Prosumer機. 我呢幾日不斷多睇多讀, 唔單止增進攝影知識, 仲清楚咗自己究竟想影啲乜, 以至買部乜機.

我相信唔會買單反, 原因: 技術差知識少得物冇所用(用唔著)... 去旅行嫌大部... 一入豪門深似海.

當然, 如果他日技術進步又真係大興趣, 我唔介意投資時間同金錢. 不過而家未係時候.

所以我想買部Prosumer機, 學用manual影.

eddygo
2008-06-11, 21:28
用好AV∕TV再+-EV都夠了,唔使下下manual影.
Prosumer機日光日白拍拍風景都不比DSLR差,如果人像、運動、打鳥之類Prosumer機就總是欠點東西,想清楚主要拍什麼才買呀.

Elvin
2008-06-12, 08:50
:D用好AV∕TV再+-EV都夠了,唔使下下manual影.
Prosumer機日光日白拍拍風景都不比DSLR差,如果人像、運動、打鳥之類Prosumer機就總是欠點東西,想清楚主要拍什麼才買呀.

明白. 所以我都prefer買部有快門先決的prosumer. 我主要拍風景, 但係都想/都會拍吓其他嘢, 所以各樣功能都係有好過冇.

Canon G9 係好選擇, 不過硬係覺得佢真係似嚿磚. 冇廣角.

Ricoh GX100 係首選, 有廣角, 變焦短但唔太介意, 但係冇快門先決.

朋友叫我留意吓部出咗已經一排既Panasonic LX2. Leica鏡, 有廣角, 有齊A/S/M. 應該係更適合既選擇. 啱啱出咗新既Panasonic FX520. 除咗冇得出raw之外, 好似功能齊兼有其他地方升級(?). 未詳細比較.

我都係較鐘意GX100, 因為唔鐘意Panasonic用LCD screen去轉mode. 轉dial好feel啲, 不過掙扎緊好唔好冇咗快門先決.

再比啲意見吖

Graham Chung
2008-06-12, 17:27
:D

明白. 所以我都prefer買部有快門先決的prosumer. 我主要拍風景, 但係都想/都會拍吓其他嘢, 所以各樣功能都係有好過冇.

Canon G9 係好選擇, 不過硬係覺得佢真係似嚿磚. 冇廣角.

Ricoh GX100 係首選, 有廣角, 變焦短但唔太介意, 但係冇快門先決.

朋友叫我留意吓部出咗已經一排既Panasonic LX2. Leica鏡, 有廣角, 有齊A/S/M. 應該係更適合既選擇. 啱啱出咗新既Panasonic FX520. 除咗冇得出raw之外, 好似功能齊兼有其他地方升級(?). 未詳細比較.

我都係較鐘意GX100, 因為唔鐘意Panasonic用LCD screen去轉mode. 轉dial好feel啲, 不過掙扎緊好唔好冇咗快門先決.

再比啲意見吖
Hi Elvin兄,
通常好嘢都會喺樣衰衰架啦,因為佢哋內在功能夠好唔需要靠賣相。其實部G9一早已
經想到呢個問題。所以佢地出咗兩枝鏡:WC-DC58B及TC-DC58C。一枝Wide angle
廣角可以去到26 mm和Tele 420mm.我而家就喺用緊呢個佩搭不過喺G7機身.有需
要就拿枝WC-DC58B來解決廣角問題.
至於RICOH無快門先決的情況,又喺要睇嚇你要部相機影D乜嘢為主.快門快慢會針對
一D動感shot,例如影昆蟲動態,體肓活動或某情況下的夜景等等.
至於Panasonic LX2,其實最大的疑問喺佢哋成日堅持住個16:9.廣角.喺唔喺同電視機
效果一樣壓扁咗.如果你試過機, D相print出嚟都OK,真喺可以考慮.佢個賣點喺
Intelligent ISO, ISO自動人工智能調校, 8組9片3塊非球面鏡.而FX 520就叫做到
25mm廣角LEICA 6組7片4塊非球面鏡.支援高清影片拍攝.
其實要作出明智之選一定要做D功課.就喺Download曬所有規格對比一次,看看自己所
需要的情況才作決定.敢就唔會衰得去邊.
:rolleyes:

jimmy
2008-06-12, 19:09
Hi Elvin 兄,

我都有部'豬狗'看門口,個人意見… 影日景唔錯!貼近入門DSLR效果,不過夜景或者黑 d o既地方,就認真麻麻!:(

Elvin
2008-06-12, 21:35
其實,我做咗好多功課,睇咗所有機嘅spec,dpreview同其它網站嘅評論,亦都喺mobile01睇咗大量嘅sample相,去咗鋪揸實物上手...:p

結論?我會買Ricoh GX100。冇快門先決,唯有學好啲manual mode。但係有1cm微距同24mm廣角會好玩啲。

LX2嘅16:9,影景係好正,但係唔鐘意個操控,唔鐘意個手感,亦唔鐘意個外表(我鐘意GRD2/GX100個外表)。個28mm廣角係指16:9,變回4:3又係35mm即係等於冇。

GX100 $3250 連4GB咭,原裝機套。噢,未買,聽日去買:D

jimmy
2008-06-12, 22:28
唔係潑你冷水,部機過左ISO200後 d noise 好勁喎?!:confused:
同埋好膠喎…
三千幾買部機都唔平,如果你鍾情Ricoh,都係買GRD好 d!
另外,送果張SD card係唔係快card? 即係SDHC type,最好係 Ultra Extreme III 或以上,因為成千萬像數,普通 card save 1 張相要幾秒,好慢架!

Elvin
2008-06-13, 08:59
我都知iso200打上會有noise, 仲好勁(review同討論區話). 問題係, 1. 我睇唔到咁detail因為我係初哥, 2. 我又唔會晒大, 3. mobile01啲老手既相lock住iso80/100都好靚, 4. gx100既noise好容易(討論區話)可以用lightroom或其他軟件執走.

咁講啦, 現階段, 我想學技巧而有一個目標. 可能set得低啲但如果影到, 暫時已經滿足. 會唔會再投入啲升級上單鏡, 到時至知(但我相信機會好低). 如果會, 太太話佢會要咗部prosumer, 或者我用嚟做2nd camera, 以方便携帶為主因. 就好似你都有部g9看門口啦.

我有諗過部grd2架, 不過我估我會頂唔住完全定焦.

噢, 多謝你提我有關張咭. 我會check, 不過送得既我估係慢咭. 如果係, 會問吓可唔可以加錢換快咭.

仲有, 如果g9加wide就會滿足哂我喺功能上既需要, 但係就冇咗便携性. 用prosumer機, 我其中一個criteria係要乜都唔加. 有hotshoe有converter, 加大閃加廣角, 咁我不如用單反.

每個人買嘢既思路都唔同, 不過我study咗幾個禮拜之後, 都好清楚想要乜, 而又對部機有合理要求. 一定有trade off, 明白既.

仲有, 要學單反入門, 可以借我細佬部nikon. 佢熱情咁玩咗幾個月, 而家咪每個月shoot幾張, 去旅行帶去影到第二日就覺得又攰又煩用番dc. 我相信我都會係咁, 哈哈...

Ryann
2008-06-27, 18:48
唔係潑你冷水,部機過左ISO200後 d noise 好勁喎?!:confused:
同埋好膠喎…
三千幾買部機都唔平,如果你鍾情Ricoh,都係買GRD好 d!
另外,送果張SD card係唔係快card? 即係SDHC type,最好係 Ultra Extreme III 或以上,因為成千萬像數,普通 card save 1 張相要幾秒,好慢架!

Jimmy兄對攝影都好有研究喎, 萍欣個幾張影得好靚
有冇用PS執過架?:rolleyes::)

jimmy
2008-06-27, 20:14
Jimmy兄對攝影都好有研究喎, 萍欣個幾張影得好靚
有冇用PS執過架?:rolleyes::)

多謝社長讚賞!:) 張張都係原汁原味,無落味精。:D

Elvin
2008-07-05, 00:40
剛出差韓國, GX100的配件比日本更便宜, 於是買了...

19mm wide converter
單筒加接頭
快門制
CPL

Ryann
2008-07-05, 09:59
幾好喎, 就咁睇D線都幾sharp下.

RYU
2008-11-07, 12:14
如果真係入門既 450D 夠晒喇 ....因為 再高 Version 果d 都係準確性同速度快d既分別 !!

新既 IS KIT 都唔算差喇 你可以買 18 -55 IS + 55 -250 IS 玩住先喇 ..... 兩支加埋都係 2千5到 !! :D

我都來加把口:p 我都係初哥, 都係想買機.
亦清楚兩派陣營各有各賣點, 各有各擁護者.

問咗四個高手朋友既意見, 以兩系既最新入門級, 佢哋都推薦Canon 450D而唔係Nikon D60. 主要係D60冇built in摩打.

其中一個朋友叫我簡單啲, 買450D連kit鏡18-55mm 算數 (咁你諗到我係真係超基本要求既入門級, 從頭學起)

我問有冇一鏡走天涯, 大家都叫我睇吓Sigma 18-200mm f3.5-6.3 DC OS

各位師兄意下如何?
註: 我真係乜都唔識所以可能會轉逹錯咗高手朋友既意思或用詞, 或者我詞不逹意:p