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Hi,
Just thinking about getting a ski instructor cert. Does anybody know whether it's better to get the Canadian one or the New Zealand one?
I know there are some courses tailored for such purpose but some courses last for weeks (I mean at least 4 and up to more than 8 weeks) while some, like that offered at Whistler, only last for 4 days (just course but not including exam).
Obviously, I couldn't afford to be away from home for weeks. Is it possible for me to take the course and then sit the exam within 7-10 days? Is Canada the better place?
Thanks
NZSIA (New Zealand) has Stage 1 and Stage 2. Now they need a pre-requsite called CSI (the Certificate in Ski instruction) - so now they have 3 levels.
CSIA has 4 levels. Level 1 is not too difficult, Level 2 is more difficult, Level 3 is very, very difficult and Level 4 is very, very, very difficult (there are only 2 % Level 4's)
I believe getting NZSIA's CSI is as easy/difficult as CSIA Level 1. Both only takes a few days. You get to learn as well as having an exam. afterwards.
The Rokie Academy is a 13 week course in New Zealand which is very long and expensive. You do not want to take that, but I guess once you enroll in that you are pretty much guaranteed a Stage 1 certification.
The Rokie Academy is a 13 week course in New Zealand which is very long and expensive. You do not want to take that, but I guess once you enroll in that you are pretty much guaranteed a Stage 1 certification.
要13周，我想，只有想當職業教練，才有辦法這麼上課吧，太猛了。:eek:
下次有機會到紐西蘭滑雪，一定要看看等級一的教練技術如何，聽說他們很嚴格的耶。:D
carver_hk-ski
2008-06-17, 10:41
Here is a copy from epicski. http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=61444&page=2
extract from it two interesting vids. :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrgbXTCKYsc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T22D-SmD7Q&feature=user
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Found this on a buddies youtube account. I think it's old exam (level II and III) training from last year. Just posting here for what ever use the bears might get out of it...
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Freestylerwill
2008-06-17, 12:56
I did the Rookie academy 8 weeks course for both ski and snowboard and yes they are pretty tough
CSI is pretty similar to CSIA 1, it goes through how to teach ski at a beginer level.
It's not that hard to pass. but there is quite a jump from CSI to stage 1
there is a HUGE jump from Stage 1 to stage 2 (there is only a 5 % pass rate for stage 2 exams)
Which one is better depends on where you want to work with your certification. If you just want to become a better skier, both are good. CSIA level 1 is equivalent to CSI in New Zealand.
The CSIA 1 is 4 days including the exam. Most courses are Thu-Sun or Fri-Mon. You just need to take a long weekend off to attend the course. However, if you fly from HK, you may experience flight lag before the course.
Just check the snowpro.com web site for CSIA course description. Date will be posed in early fall.
Freestylerwill
2008-06-19, 11:36
Check www.NZSIA.net to see the details of the NZSIA courses
Thanks a lot forall your replies.
Good to hear that the 4-day course includes the exam as I was just wondering whether the course would fit into a exam date.
Have gathered some info about CSIA course and course outline etc. from the web. Planning to spend 7-10 days including travelling time to Canada, most like Whistler.
Thanks again.
Last season, I've organized CASI 1 on the same weekend with CSIA 1 at my ski resort. However, the CSIA 1 were in two conservative weekends which is not good for your schedule. I recommend you to register the level 1 course during Christmas or at the end of season. It is because most candidates take the course during these periods, so the possibility of course cancellation are much less. Like last season, there were 3-4 CSIA 1 groups on the same week at Tremblant. Since level 1 courses are registered through regional co-ordinator, you should contact them directly to get the course date.
In fact, when I moved last year, I have packed a box of instructor and coach material. If you are interested, I can sell you this material. Most of them are in good shape because I have new material every season. These material are books and CD/DVDs from CSIA.
Thanks a lot forall your replies.
Good to hear that the 4-day course includes the exam as I was just wondering whether the course would fit into a exam date.
Have gathered some info about CSIA course and course outline etc. from the web. Planning to spend 7-10 days including travelling time to Canada, most like Whistler.
Thanks again.
If you want to take the course on Whistler. i got a friend who may help you to pre-train you more ready for the course. I know he helped "GT FISH's Big Brother" getting his CSIA 2. and he doesn't charge too much. I think only CAD $100.00 Half day on Whistler.
The Lv-1 courses at Whistler are consecutive days. The last day will be the exam day. Depends on your ski level, it maybe tough physically.
There are courses at local mtn close to Vancouver which has courses at weekends (Sat/Sun and next Sat/Sun). That was the one I took before which is easier, I consider. However, if you plan to stay at Whistler, it may not be an alternative.
Mckay, who is "that friend" which charge $100 only :p. Haha..
- Brian
badmanhk
2011-11-02, 07:17
If I get CASI level 1, where can I get better opportunity of getting a instructor vacancy?
I can speak English, Cantonese and Mandarin
If I get CASI level 1, where can I get better opportunity of getting a instructor vacancy?
I can speak English, Cantonese and Mandarin
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Buttercookie
2011-11-02, 14:16
Interesting subject, I would like to get certified for L1 as well. What's the quickest, cheapest way to do so? I used to ski 60days+ on slope/ season for a many years until I started working in HK + China. I used to teach many classmates (advance beginners) parallel turns for beers:beer:, including past trips in Japan. Just want to get an official certificate as I am going to get involve in winter sports gears & accessories.
Is it possible to join one of the tours to Whistler & take the exam during the trip?
Thank you in advance for all the good advice & information.
If I get CASI level 1, where can I get better opportunity of getting a instructor vacancy?
I can speak English, Cantonese and Mandarin
You want to progress to Level 2 or do you want to give lessons? :confused:
Freestylerwill
2011-11-02, 15:45
If I get CASI level 1, where can I get better opportunity of getting a instructor vacancy?
I can speak English, Cantonese and Mandarin
Japan would be a good place to start since there are plenty of HKer ski there
or you can try Hk's training facility
badmanhk
2011-11-02, 17:01
Japan would be a good place to start since there are plenty of HKer ski there
or you can try Hk's training facility
Japan sounds cool!!
But I know zero Japanese.... is it possible to find instructor job there?
Freestylerwill
2011-11-02, 17:09
Fear not my friend
The people you will be teaching mostly will be Hker's / Mainlanders/ Australians
freeskier
2011-11-02, 20:40
Interesting subject, I would like to get certified for L1 as well. What's the quickest, cheapest way to do so? I used to ski 60days+ on slope/ season for a many years until I started working in HK + China. I used to teach many classmates (advance beginners) parallel turns for beers:beer:, including past trips in Japan. Just want to get an official certificate as I am going to get involve in winter sports gears & accessories.
Is it possible to join one of the tours to Whistler & take the exam during the trip?
Thank you in advance for all the good advice & information.
The CSIA course usually takes 4 days. If you want to join Ryann's tour to Whistler, there will be 2 courses that can match the schedule. Feb 27- Mar 1 or Apr 2-5 .
This is not the cheapest or quickest way though, because these are 9 days tours. The alternative is come to Niseko, the Canadians also arrange level one and level two course here. I don't know the schedule though. If you have time, maybe you can do both in one shot. I skied with you, your ski skill is above level 2 for sure. If you want to know their schedule, I can find out for you.
Interesting subject, I would like to get certified for L1 as well. What's the quickest, cheapest way to do so? I used to ski 60days+ on slope/ season for a many years until I started working in HK + China. I used to teach many classmates (advance beginners) parallel turns for beers:beer:, including past trips in Japan. Just want to get an official certificate as I am going to get involve in winter sports gears & accessories.
You can refer to the following thread for detail of what each level is involved
http://www.hkssa.net/showthread.php?t=3693
badmanhk
2011-11-02, 21:58
The CSIA course usually takes 4 days. If you want to join Ryann's tour to Whistler, there will be 2 courses that can match the schedule. Feb 27- Mar 1 or Apr 2-5 .
This is not the cheapest or quickest way though, because these are 9 days tours. The alternative is come to Niseko, the Canadians also arrange level one and level two course here. I don't know the schedule though. If you have time, maybe you can do both in one shot. I skied with you, your ski skill is above level 2 for sure. If you want to know their schedule, I can find out for you.
I am interested in CASI level 2 course at Niseko.
Any information?
badmanhk
2011-11-02, 21:59
Fear not my friend
The people you will be teaching mostly will be Hker's / Mainlanders/ Australians
Any starting point / tips on finding snowboard teaching opportunity in Japan?
Freestylerwill
2011-11-03, 09:33
Keep an eye out on their hiring period (usually between july-august) and apply
Buttercookie
2011-11-03, 12:12
Thanks for your information & many thanks to Freeskier for your compliments. I thought you could not recall me in this forum.
Your idea sounds great as I will be in Niseko in Jan & March. I will get in touch with you later on.
badmanhk
2011-11-03, 14:14
Keep an eye out on their hiring period (usually between july-august) and apply
Sound like I need to wait until next season...
BTW, I will ride at Hakuba and Niseko on coming Jan and Mar.
Are there any preparation course(s) or instructor(s) can offer pre-exam training for CASI level 2?
I plan to take level 2 exam on next season.
1000 Thanks!
The CSIA course usually takes 4 days. If you want to join Ryann's tour to Whistler, there will be 2 courses that can match the schedule. Feb 27- Mar 1 or Apr 2-5 .
This is not the cheapest or quickest way though, because these are 9 days tours. The alternative is come to Niseko, the Canadians also arrange level one and level two course here. I don't know the schedule though. If you have time, maybe you can do both in one shot. I skied with you, your ski skill is above level 2 for sure. If you want to know their schedule, I can find out for you.
Just curious to know if that is possible to apply for CSIA 2 certification without getting the CSIA 1 first in Japan, and who is authorise to do the certification?
As long as I know in Canada it is not possible.
Just curious to know if that is possible to apply for CSIA 2 certification without getting the CSIA 1 first in Japan, and who is authorise to do the certification?
As long as I know in Canada it is not possible.
I understand that in Japan you can go for both 'at the same time', but the course is a few weeks long.
In Canada, you cannot. You need to pass Level 1 first and then 'apply' for Level 2. Level 1 is much easier to pass. Level 2 requires more technical understanding and be able to spot mistakes and make suggestions to correct them e.g. you have to introduce to the 'student' certain drills to correct those 'mistakes'
Freestylerwill
2011-11-03, 18:01
Sound like I need to wait until next season...
BTW, I will ride at Hakuba and Niseko on coming Jan and Mar.
Are there any preparation course(s) or instructor(s) can offer pre-exam training for CASI level 2?
I plan to take level 2 exam on next season.
1000 Thanks!
Give me a hola when you are in Niseko.
If i am not working lets go for a slide.
freeskier
2011-11-03, 18:38
Just curious to know if that is possible to apply for CSIA 2 certification without getting the CSIA 1 first in Japan, and who is authorise to do the certification?
As long as I know in Canada it is not possible.
What I mean is that buttercookie can take the lvl 1 course first and then take the lvl 2 course right after he pass lvl 1. If the schedule of both course is close enough, he can do it in one trip. My Korean friend once did level one/two/ three in 3 months time. Now he is level four. The authorization is by CSIA level 3/4 course conductors.
The only way to skip CSIA lvl one is to get the CSCF lvl one first. Although the teaching method and target is not the same. The CSIA somehow tolerate the CSCF in this case. I think probably CSIA do not expect lvl one will do real teaching on the mountain therefore it does not matter. I did my CSCF lvl one after my CSIA lvl one, a waste of money, to think of that.
freeskier
2011-11-03, 18:49
Sound like I need to wait until next season...
BTW, I will ride at Hakuba and Niseko on coming Jan and Mar.
Are there any preparation course(s) or instructor(s) can offer pre-exam training for CASI level 2?
I plan to take level 2 exam on next season.
1000 Thanks!
It is too late for this season, even they agree to hire you, it still takes a lot of time for applying the visa and things like that. One more thing is that, they might want ski instructors more than snowboard instructors. So, CSIA lvl 1 > CASI lvl 2.
If you have both and can speak Chinese? they will hire you for 100%
What I mean is that buttercookie can take the lvl 1 course first and then take the lvl 2 course right after he pass lvl 1. If the schedule of both course is close enough, he can do it in one trip. My Korean friend once did level one/two/ three in 3 months time. Now he is level four. The authorization is by CSIA level 3/4 course conductors.
The only way to skip CSIA lvl one is to get the CSCF lvl one first. Although the teaching method and target is not the same. The CSIA somehow tolerate the CSCF in this case. I think probably CSIA do not expect lvl one will do real teaching on the mountain therefore it does not matter. I did my CSCF lvl one after my CSIA lvl one, a waste of money, to think of that.
Thanks freeskier & skier for your good info.
I think CSIA 1 have more job opportunity in Japan, as in Canada CSIA 1 instructors can only teach kids/infants even at our relatively small ski resorts in Ontario!!
badmanhk
2011-11-04, 11:55
It is too late for this season, even they agree to hire you, it still takes a lot of time for applying the visa and things like that. One more thing is that, they might want ski instructors more than snowboard instructors. So, CSIA lvl 1 > CASI lvl 2.
If you have both and can speak Chinese? they will hire you for 100%
Very true, from my observation. SBer usually younger, young ppls less willing to pay for lesson...
badmanhk
2011-11-04, 12:06
Give me a hola when you are in Niseko.
If i am not working lets go for a slide.
Will you be there early March?
Look forward to see u on slope!!
One more thing is that, they might want ski instructors more than snowboard instructors. So, CSIA lvl 1 > CASI lvl 2.
From my experience, most resorts always need more ski instructors than snowboard instructor.
The only way to skip CSIA lvl one is to get the CSCF lvl one first.
In the past (6-7 years ago), if you have other certification from other country, you can skip CSIA or CASI 1. Mostly likely, you have to contact the national office to get the permission to register level 2 directly (Don't forget, you need a member # to register level 2 or higher courses). Last year when I gave a CASI 2 course, there were 2 candidates from Europe. They have certification from their country, so they didn't do CASI 1 and registered for CASI 2. I personally don't recommend skip level 1 and register level 2, unless you have strong ski/riding skill and have solid teaching background.
Just a reminder, after you got your CSIA/CASI 1, you have to pay due every year to keep a valid membership in order to work in snow school. ~$140 for CSIA and $90 for CASI, I guess. :msn_amaze:
This will give you an idea how much instructors got paid last year at Whistler - :icon_cry:
http://www.wbsss.com/images/uploads/Wage_Document_Oct_2010_Final_v2.pdf
freeskier
2011-12-13, 12:48
This will give you an idea how much instructors got paid last year at Whistler - :icon_cry:
http://www.wbsss.com/images/uploads/Wage_Document_Oct_2010_Final_v2.pdf
Most instructors in Whistler's primary goal is not for the paid, otherwise they will be starving all winter. Here, they show you what they pay you, but they don't show you what they will deduct from your wages. The only reasons that I worked for them is for the free locker, free lift pass and free training. Don't take it as a job, take it as a working holiday.
Most instructors in Whistler's primary goal is not for the paid, otherwise they will be starving all winter. Here, they show you what they pay you, but they don't show you what they will deduct from your wages. The only reasons that I worked for them is for the free locker, free lift pass and free training. Don't take it as a job, take it as a working holiday.
The Whistler season pass costs C$1429 (if buy early), which works out something like C$12 per day. If I can afford to take a 4 months holiday to go skiing, most likely I won't worry too much about the cost of the locker and the season pass. Living expenses for the whole season is more of a concern. :bill:
The free training is a good enough reason though. :icon_good:
Like everything else in US, eg. going to the restaurant, taking a taxi, the porter in the hotel etc., the American expects to be tipped for their service. Reading a posting in another ski forum some time ago, someone asked would ski instructors expect to be tipped by their students at end of the lesson. Feedback from the ski instructors in USA indicated most of them expect a US$50 tip for a whole day private lesson. Less for a Group lesson (I guess).
Most instructors in Whistler's primary goal is not for the paid, otherwise they will be starving all winter. Here, they show you what they pay you, but they don't show you what they will deduct from your wages. The only reasons that I worked for them is for the free locker, free lift pass and free training. Don't take it as a job, take it as a working holiday.
Don't forget Dick make a good living.
The Whistler season pass costs C$1429 (if buy early), which works out something like C$12 per day. If I can afford to take a 4 months holiday to go skiing, most likely I won't worry too much about the cost of the locker and the season pass. Living expenses for the whole season is more of a concern. :bill:
The free training is a good enough reason though. :icon_good:
Like everything else in US, eg. going to the restaurant, taking a taxi, the porter in the hotel etc., the American expects to be tipped for their service. Reading a posting in another ski forum some time ago, someone asked would ski instructors expect to be tipped by their students at end of the lesson. Feedback from the ski instructors in USA indicated most of them expect a US$50 tip for a whole day private lesson. Less for a Group lesson (I guess).
But I don't think freeskier take much free training when he's working there. Me too.:lol:
freeskier
2011-12-14, 13:27
Don't forget Dick make a good living.
Don't forget Dick do MORE than skiing.
Don't forget Dick do MORE than skiing.
We all know that, he doesn't really ski.
Recently, everytime I ask him to ski with us on the bumps, he always escape.
freeskier
2011-12-14, 13:38
But I don't think freeskier take much free training when he's working there. Me too.:lol:
For me the ski pass and the free locker is more important than the training. Esp the ski locker, because there are only a few of seasonal rental locker in Whistler that you have to book one year in advance , and if you have luck, you get one. I don't attend the morning session because I was lazy and also because the only time I went, the instructor did not teach us anything except "guest service". However, I did attend all the training session Kawasaki gave.
IMO, When you spend a season on the mountain, you don't really need the training from the ski school, because everyone is so willing to TEACH you. Like this Mckay guy whom I recieved a lot of teaching from.
Haha, this is because Guest service is an imporant part of the CSIA, it's on Chapter 2 of the reference manual, though I bet you must have thrown it away by now =P
For me the ski pass and the free locker is more important than the training. Esp the ski locker, because there are only a few of seasonal rental locker in Whistler that you have to book one year in advance , and if you have luck, you get one. I don't attend the morning session because I was lazy and also because the only time I went, the instructor did not teach us anything except "guest service". However, I did attend all the training session Kawasaki gave.
IMO, When you spend a season on the mountain, you don't really need the training from the ski school, because everyone is so willing to TEACH you. Like this Mckay guy whom I recieved a lot of teaching from.
I never taught you and you also won't think my skiing is good.:single_eye:
Kawasaki is a good skier but not a good teacher from my point of view.
Recent years, I attend quite a bit of PDP, 4 last year and find some pretty good teachers.
anyway hope to see you on Whistler this April.
Hi Mckay, just wonder would you consider Mark Jones and Cam MacKenzie as good teacher? I joined the YES course led by them this coming January, so just wodnering what to expect.
Hi Mckay, just wonder would you consider Mark Jones and Cam MacKenzie as good teacher? I joined the YES course led by them this coming January, so just wodnering what to expect.
They are both level 4 CSIA.
When you have time, just ask Freeskier. He also know them.
If you come to Whistler, let's ski together.
Sure thing. I heard from Freeskier that you are a very good skier, it will be great to ski with you :msn_cool:
..Recent years, I attend quite a bit of PDP, 4 last year and find some pretty good teachers...
I have contacted Gerda Koch and have registered for a PDP on Feb. 1
The last one I had was in 2007.
May I ask whether we need to continue to pay dues to keep our membership in order to sign up for the PDPs?
May I ask whether we need to continue to pay dues to keep our membership in order to sign up for the PDPs?
Yes, you do.
I have contacted Gerda Koch and have registered for a PDP on Feb. 1
The last one I had was in 2007.
I'll try to join you
Hi Mckay, just wonder would you consider Mark Jones and Cam MacKenzie as good teacher? I joined the YES course led by them this coming January, so just wodnering what to expect.
Me and Cam MacKenzie both give training sessions at Grouse. I never took his session before, but most instructors like his training sessions.
I miss my PDP training during the Ignition Day. Still thinking if I should register PDP this season.....:think:
Me and Cam MacKenzie both give training sessions at Grouse. I never took his session before, but most instructors like his training sessions.
That's great, I am looking forward to the 2 weeks program with them.
That's great, I am looking forward to the 2 weeks program with them.
Is there a 1-week or 2-week program?
According to this, the programs are all 3-weeks and up:
http://www.yesimprovement.com/ski/instruct/courses.html
Which one are you taking?
Is there a 1-week or 2-week program?
According to this, the programs are all 3-weeks and up:
http://www.yesimprovement.com/ski/instruct/courses.html
Which one are you taking?
They have 2 programs, i.e. the improvement and instructor program. They can break the instructor programs into different parts for you. For the instructor program, if you are able to convince them that you have get yourself warmed up somewhere before going to the course, they might allow you to skip the first week which they call the warm up week.
This year I am going to Niseko, so I am doing two weeks of improvement instead of the instructor program.
They have 2 programs, i.e. the improvement and instructor program. They can break the instructor programs into different parts for you. For the instructor program, if you are able to convince them that you have get yourself warmed up somewhere before going to the course, they might allow you to skip the first week which they call the warm up week.
This year I am going to Niseko, so I am doing two weeks of improvement instead of the instructor program.
Just came across Cam today at top of Whislter and talk about his trip on Jan to Neseko. He look excited.
freeskier
2011-12-19, 16:28
Just came across Cam today at top of Whislter and talk about his trip on Jan to Neseko. He look excited.
Last season when I met him in Niseko, the first thing he said to me is "this is paradise" I think he really like deep powder
Just came across Cam today at top of Whislter and talk about his trip on Jan to Neseko. He look excited.
Yeah, Mark said they planned to do a lot of off-piste skiing.
Just finished the week with Cam, it's great. He's a great instructor. Looking forward to the week with Mark :msn_lol:
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