Short-turn on steep

[skier]

Carver_hk introduced this article (from Epic Ski) at www.ski.com.tw. I think it is an excellent article on more 'advanced' skiing to tackle the steep that we should all learn:

http://forums.epicski.com/showpost.php?p=894837&postcount=28

[gbertram]

Yeah - interesting excerpt from the ski guru himself - Bob Barnes. He basically is the technical guy behind PSIA rocky mountain.

Have you read his book - The Encyclopedia of Skiing - http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Encyclopedia-Skiing-3rd/dp/0966913159

He is definitely a guy to listen to

[skier]

Yeah - interesting excerpt from the ski guru himself - Bob Barnes. He basically is the technical guy behind PSIA rocky mountain.

Have you read his book - The Encyclopedia of Skiing - http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Encyclopedia-Skiing-3rd/dp/0966913159

He is definitely a guy to listen to

I clicked the URL and the book is for $145 (must be in HK dollars?)

Have you read it? Were there photos or illustrations?

I hate to read instructional books without photos -- I prefer DVD's anytime.

[gbertram]

I have read it - for the PSIA exams. It doesn't really have any pictures - it really only offers definitions of skiing terms - I know it sounds boring - but it is actually a very good read. I think you can get the CD /DVD version of it for $10 through PSIA rocky mountain.

http://www.psia-rm.org/products.php?sorttype=alpine

On amazon - i think the price is really in USD - it's that expensive because it's out of print and everyone doing PSIA exams needs a copy - because the written test is basically based on that book

[carver_hk-ski]

thanks skier for reactivating this thread here.
I ll also like to introduce what BigE said about the essence of Bob's turn.

http://forums.epicski.com/showpost.php?p=895085&postcount=32
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These turns are precisely as I expected them to be - Flex, flatten, pivot, extend -- with the pivot being progressive
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[skier]

Let me post the link here again with one of the animated gif (the other cannot be loaded due to size, I guess):

http://forums.epicski.com/showpost.p...7&postcount=28

Quoting Bob Barnes:

"Notice that in the first frame, where the turn has just begun, my legs are quite flexed and my skis are almost flat on the snow. I've largely relaxed and "let go" of the mountain, allowing my skis' momentum to continue across the hill as my body travels down the hill. It may look like I'm leaning back in the first couple frames, but my body is actually moving quickly downhill--"forward" in the direction of the turn. In the third frame, just before I engage my edges (apply pressure to them) I am deeply inclined to the inside of the turn, and my body (center of mass) is actually downhill from my feet. In the fourth frame, the edges engage, and I'm in a balanced position on the "sweet spot" of my skis, where the pressure will cause them to bend tip-to-tail and carve cleanly.

These clips show the importance of patience in the steeps--letting the skis remain light on the snow as you guide them into the turn, not rushing to get them on edge and "carving" too early in the turn. Wait until the forces of the turn help you. That "back seat-looking" moment at the start of the turn is actually critical, to allow our skis to get away from us so that we're balanced inside their path when the pressure phase comes. Our feet always travel faster than our bodies as they take a longer path down the hill, so we must let them "pass" us at the transition, while we take a beeline shortcut to get ahead of them again for the pressure phase. "

[GTFish]

I clicked the URL and the book is for $145 (must be in HK dollars?)

Have you read it? Were there photos or illustrations?

I hate to read instructional books without photos -- I prefer DVD's anytime.

No photos, just the odd illustration. Barnes sent me the DVD version for free, really nice guy. I had a printed copy, it's like a telephone directory. Only refer to it occasionally, tough to read an encyclopedia.

[gbertram]

the content though is quite amusing - i didn't find the entries boring at all