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jackwan
2009-06-13, 11:19
You may want to consider go to a college at the Sierra Nevada College

Becasue


The Sierra Nevada College Ski Business & Resort Management (SBRM) program is the nation’s only four-year bachelor’s degree focused on the mountain-resort industry, taking advantage of a strong curriculum, faculty with decades of resort management experience, and opportunities to gain hands-on training with a handful of America’s leading ski resort companies, all located a short distance from the spectacular Sierra Nevada College campus.


http://www.sierranevada.edu/home.php

:D

Mike
2009-06-13, 17:51
Jack,

In HK, looks like it makes much better living and earn a lot more money if you are in the "Fung Shui" industry. :D

jackwan
2009-06-13, 21:06
Knowing a lot of Fun Shui cannot build a ski slope..and won't make you a good skier...:D

Mike
2009-06-13, 21:33
Knowing a lot of Fun Shui cannot build a ski slope..and won't make you a good skier...:D

You are right - "fung" (wind), "shui" (water or rain) and snow sports do not go well together. :rolleyes:

Yogi
2009-07-17, 14:21
Knowing a lot of Fun Shui cannot build a ski slope..and won't make you a good skier...:D

How about tai chi - is that any good for skiing? :confused:

carver_hk-ski
2009-07-17, 14:38
Knowing a lot of Fun Shui cannot build a ski slope..and won't make you a good skier...:Dit seems you are not aware there are fun shui people making the kind of money like billions and could be even more depending on how lovely he is toward his clients. :)

jackwan
2009-07-17, 22:52
Everyone has his own definition of success and his own goal in the life. Whether you want to be a fun shui師 or Squaw Valley owner is all up to u。 But this is a ski web, so I thought everyone here is on the same page。。。:rolleyes:

carver_hk-ski
2009-07-18, 01:41
i want to be a fun shui master for sure if i could. with money you can ask bode to coach you. i wont think about running a ski resort though. its just business not skiing. if i were the owner i ll sell it and use the money for skiing worldwide. :)

SLICK
2009-07-18, 15:47
Agree with Carver,
Runnig Ski resort no matter you are working for different position or under management surveillance is nothing to do with skiing. Don't mix up.
Don't ever think that if you are actually working in the industries you have spare time for
skiing fun. Definately no. Jst ask for those related industries people you'll understand. those
who can give you a positive reply cannot be count as a serious industry related person.
Their job is for fun not for living.
Simply breakdown what kind of things you will faced when you are in the ski resort management
business or work.
1. Prepare P/L reports, think generate income yearly which is mainly comes from Sponsorship of
private companies for race events, admission fee (Ski Pass), Donations from community, leasing
programes profit sharing with individual tenants..etc..
2. Marketing work: Arrange race events with associations, looking for companies sponsors, hired
productions house for spectacular video scene, other race options such as snow karts/car slalom race,
dog sleigh race, snow mobile race...etc...
3. Arrange Leasing or rental program to hotel group, clinics & shop tenants.
4. Surveillance work on Major machiney e.g.; chairlift, Snow making system, fencing & the Grooming machines.
5. Current check the P/L reports with the ski institutions (Ski School & rescue team) to avoid underpay on profit sharing.
6. Precautions on avalanche aspects , monitoring work.

Everyday keeps you busy. You don't have time to ski. Even you have time, do you have the mood?
About Fung Shui, Yes, normally slope faced South or East. Second choice North but not West.
And five elements, Snow comes from Water. Anything related to water can apply on Snow.

jackwan
2009-07-18, 23:59
Mr. Slick, I am not sure what you are talking about。 What do you mean ski area administrators do not ski? As I know, all ski area owners are good skiers themselves and they ski a lot. I have skied with some of the owners/managers before so I know, in addition, as a broker, I was commissioned to sell a ski area before, even though I was not successful, I have learned a lot about the skiing industry. You really have to be a good skier to manage a ski resort and you have to be a skier also to sell a ski resort.

Just to give you an example, the name "KT22" was coined by the wife of the owner of Squaw Valley, she made 22 kick turns to come down the hill. KT22 turns out to be the most famed chair in North America.

Enough said about fun shui master, I think if you earn enough money in ANY profession, you can be skiing anywhere any time, year round. So what is the big deal?:rolleyes:

carver_hk-ski
2009-07-19, 00:13
I was commissioned to sell a ski area before, even though I was not successful, I have learned a lot about the skiing industry. You really have to be a good skier to manage a ski resort and you have to be a skier also to sell a ski resort.no business for snowboarder? Just curious. I though u have to have connection with the rich people or fun 佬. :)

SLICK
2009-07-19, 00:29
Jackwan,
Please read carefully on my message, I said no time and may be no mood to ski doesn't mean do not ski or don't know ski. There's no standard on how to say it is a good skier and I believe business and skills are not always definately positive proportion. Of course, normally everyone working in the ski resort do ski ..80% but there are some exceptions. Your message only conquer a very small portion of example and cannot replaced as a global theory.
Your misunderstand about Fung Shui I have no comment. I am talking about the slope face direction, there's nothing to do with the skier. Of course you can ski any where.

jackwan
2009-07-19, 00:33
carver,
you are picking on words...;) obviously, the terms "skiing industry" or "skier" includes all snowsports players. You cannot differenciate "Skis" "Snowboards" "telemarks" "Nordics" etc.

To be honest, you really do not have to have connections in the ski resort owners circle to be a broker selling the resorts. You need to be full time in the brokerage business, nevertheless.:cool:

jackwan
2009-07-19, 00:37
Jackwan,
Please read carefully on my message, I said no time and may be no mood to ski doesn't mean do not ski or don't know ski. There's no standard on how to say it is a good skier and I believe business and skills are not always definately positive proportion. Of course, normally everyone working in the ski resort do ski ..80% but there are some exceptions. Your message only conquer a very small portion of example and cannot replaced as a global theory.
Your misunderstand about Fung Shui I have no comment. I am talking about the slope face direction, there's nothing to do with the skier. Of course you can ski any where.

Are you in the skiing industry? If not, please do not making remarks that you are not sure or do not know at all.

The old chinese saying:

內行看門道,外行看熱鬧。

SLICK
2009-07-19, 00:50
Jack,
I am sorry to draw out your big temper on this but may I ask you..How old are you? I am sure lots of members in here can comment on my message to be positive or negative.

carver_hk-ski
2009-07-19, 00:52
carver,
you are picking on words..I was just joking. If you aware i m not serious into anything. I merely looking for fun. skiing is one of those fun i m after. :)

I was told(its not my knowledge, i m less then that). u dont have to be in any industry to sell a that business, or the corporate finance people will be starved to death in no time, yet they r gold cuffed. haha! i bet u know what i mean by gold cuffed. :)

carver_hk-ski
2009-07-19, 00:52
i m seeing some ego check here. :)

jackwan
2009-07-19, 01:01
Jack,
I am sorry to draw out your big temper on this but may I ask you..How old are you? I am sure lots of members in here can comment on my message to be positive or negative.
I have been in the United States for over 30 years, and I have closed more than 60 million USD of transactions in enterprise sales and about same amount in real estate sales. I guess I am qualified to make some remarks on businesses in general and since I have been a skier for about 30 years, I know a little bit more about the skiing industry than most of the ppl in HK or TW。

What is your background, Mr。 Slick?

carver_hk-ski
2009-07-19, 01:09
I have been a skier for about 30 yearssince this is a ski web, all i care is the technique rather then the years of experience. I m sure with 30 years of skiing experience you probably ski better then bode? he ski less years then u r and less rich! you have any videos to show us at all? :)

btw if u aware 60m usd(turnover, not net profit) is like 0.5 b., doctor evil told me, its way less then .... what the fun shui master's net profit. i suggest people who care about money figures to start learning how to dig fun shui holes. :)

jackwan
2009-07-19, 01:24
I was just joking. If you aware i m not serious into anything. I merely looking for fun. skiing is one of those fun i m after. :)

I was told(its not my knowledge, i m less then that). u dont have to be in any industry to sell a that business, or the corporate finance people will be starved to death in no time, yet they r gold cuffed. haha! i bet u know what i mean by gold cuffed. :)

There is no need to be a skier to sell a ski resort business, but it helps. It also helps to bring the interest level high. My ski resort listing was referred to me by another broker, he did not want to deal with it as its hard to ask for 15 million USD for a business that is in red, year in and year out.:)

jackwan
2009-07-19, 01:26
since this is a ski web, all i care is the technique rather then the years of experience. I m sure with 30 years of skiing experience you probably ski better then bode? he ski less years then u r and less rich! you have any videos to show us at all? :)



good skiing requires talent, Bode has the talent, I don't.:(

carver_hk-ski
2009-07-19, 01:28
its hard to ask for 15 million USD for a business that is in red, year in and year out.:)I have great doubt over this figures! I cant even imagine how you wrote the prospectus with this red figures. :)

carver_hk-ski
2009-07-19, 01:29
good skiing requires talent, Bode has the talent, I don't.:(i ll say it goes two ways. talent and learning. :)

jackwan
2009-07-19, 01:57
I have great doubt over this figures! I cant even imagine how you wrote the prospectus with this red figures. :)

In fact, there are many ski resorts were sold at an unbelivable price even the current p/l is in red. ppl buy it because:

1. Real Estate potential
2. Expandability

Here is a story about Squaw Valley and its founder Alex.

http://www.squaw.com/the-history-squaw-valley-usa

Without Alex's vision, Squaw will never host the Olympics and it will never be a premier ski resort in Tahoe.

Another example is Whistler, when I was there in the 80's, the village was not built we had to live across the parking lot(now the village), it was good, but was not internationally known as today. After the Intrawest bought the place, they expanded the mountain into a real international resort, #1 in North America。 The resort was recently sold at a price many times of the total investment。

Revalstock and Kicking Horse, the new resorts in BC, they were all small before the expansion. Now, take a look at the real estate surrounding the areas.

Unfortunatly, my listing had no adjecent real estate and had limited expandability.....:(

carver_hk-ski
2009-07-19, 09:11
I think you have revealed the general problem faced by the corporate finance people. You only need a few successful case to be very rich though you already are. :)

Afterall, your business have even less to do with real skiing. I don't see why you have to be a skier to get involve with the business. Due diligent work? :)

jackwan
2009-07-19, 10:11
I think you have revealed the general problem faced by the corporate finance people. You only need a few successful case to be very rich though you already are. :)

Afterall, your business have even less to do with real skiing. I don't see why you have to be a skier to get involve with the business. Due diligent work? :)

As a skier, its a big advantage to take on an assignment of selling a ski resorts, since you already have first hand experience in all aspects of the skiing. Its easier to pickup the rest of the business and as a result, a better representation. I have some one who specialize in selling waste disposal business, he was working for a big Waste Management Company.

In a private corporate finance transaction environment, we do not get rich easily as the commission is small. A public offering of a company, the broker can get fees over 10%. In our business we can only get about 1%...:mad:

carver_hk-ski
2009-07-19, 10:17
In a private corporate finance transaction environment, we do not get rich easily as the commission is small. I though the money come from taking up shares before shaping up the business for listing? But still the hard part is to be able to show some good figures after you invested in the company? :)

jackwan
2009-07-19, 10:22
I though the money come from taking up shares before shaping up the business for listing? But still the hard part is to be able to show some good figures after you invested in the company? :)

no, we are strickly on commission basis.:o

carver_hk-ski
2009-07-19, 10:25
that is way different from what people doing in hong kong. perhaps your deals r usually very big. commision alone is good enough. :)

jackwan
2009-07-19, 11:36
that is way different from what people doing in hong kong. perhaps your deals r usually very big. commision alone is good enough. :)
you are mixing up private transactions with public transactions and do not read what i wrote.

carver_hk-ski
2009-07-19, 12:00
My ski resort listing was ....Thats where i picked up the impression.

Mike
2009-07-29, 09:08
Here is a chance to make a living in the skiing industry! :D

The ski resort of Winterhorn in central Switzerland appears to have been saved from bankruptcy after it was auctioned on an internet site. The resort, which has around SFr150,000 debts and did not open for business last ski season, was offered on the auction platform ricardo.ch last week.
The asking price for the resort, including ski lifts, a restaurant and après-ski area, was a mere SFr250,000

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news_digest/Ski_area_auctioned_on_the_internet.html?siteSect=104&sid=10972107&cKey=1247927230000&ty=nd