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A lot of people asked whether a new pair of skis needs a "New Ski Tune" - possibly due to hardened edges, no bevels, dull, and not enough wax.
Some production skis (eg. Atomic Mertons) nowadays are notorious for having concave spots on the base near the tips and tails.
Some skiers also asked about the necessity of dulling the ski edges near the tip and the tail.
Most skis are mass produced, they are also mass finished in the factory by machine. Some brands are better than others, some individual skis come off the machines better than others. Common sense tells you that a belt or stone performs differently depending on if it is the 1st or the 100th ski to come though. Nonetheless the ceramic disc finish that the ski manufacturers use is extremly difficult to duplicate in a ski shop and produces an extremely highly polsihed edge that is very smooth with lots of edge grip.
Can a new ski work well out of the wrapper? Absolutely! If they are properly manufactured.
The average tune coming out of the wrapping on most skis is good enough that the vast majority of skiers would never notice an "improved" tune. Most skis are tunes 90% out of the wrapping, it is up to the shop and/or the consumer to make it perfect, ie. put the proper degree of bevel on and polish the edges. You can get that extra 10% out of any new ski by shaping the base and side edge and ironing in fresh wax.
As for dulling the edges near the tip and tail - the opinion splits.
Some argued that dulling the tips and tails is a good idea for skiers who don't know how to control the engagement of the entire edge, and skid turns. Detuning makes it easier to skid your turns by preventing the edges from doing what they were designed to do.
No offence to anyone out there.
What about snowboard? Does the same apply? :confused:
Head's Technical Manual 04/05 discouraged detuning. The exact wordings are:
Carving skis develop their best skiing properties when shovel and tail grip the snow perfectly which requires a
continuously sharp edge. Dulling the edge would produce the opposite effect. Modern skis should be skied on
the edges as much as possible and skidding should be avoided. An exception can be made for beginners and
very cautious skiers by dulling the edge on the ski heels up to a maximum of 10 cm for easier skidding.
Personally I think detuning is not necessary if one is using skis appropriate to him (in terms of length, sidecut, matching level of the skis to the person, etc). Detuning reduces grip, and more often than not you really need all the grip there is. Skidding can still be achieved when required by applying the necessary technique.
New skis straight out of the wrapping should be more than adeqaute for recreational users.
carver_hk-ski
2008-09-08, 00:43
Personally I think detuning is not necessary if one is using skis appropriate to himI have some reserve. I will divide skiers into two groups.
skiers able to handle the edge - no detuning
skiers not trained to handle the edge - There is a great ACL risk. If you accidentally put up shovel pressure and not immediate let your body go with your shovel pressured skis your ACL will be very likely get done. This happens in icy date on intermediate slope. You are encouraged to do some VISUALIZATION(not imagination) to see how you could get hurt. :)
Having just learnt a bit about ski preparation and tuning, to answer whether new skis need waxing.
The answer is:
The wax on new skis will work fine, but if you do have the ability/facility to wax skis, you should. In fact waxing them a few times will work to get the wax deeper into the pores. It takes several waxing cycles to saturate the base, to increase glide, protection and durability. The objective is to get wax INTO the base, not ON the base.
Another thing that ought to check is flatness of the base. When skis come out from the factory, the bases are not always 100% flat, and can be either slightly concave, or convex. The first thing you need to do is test the flatness of the base using a straight edge.
Mike and other skiers :
I just brought a brand new skis with binders on and a pair of ski boots . I am not sure if I need to tune /wax it or I just put on my boots and ski down the slope ?. What should I do for my first day on the slope ??
I know that I need to do some adjustment to the binders so that it will break lost when I fall but I donot know how. Is there any clue for me ??
As I said previously, for recreational skiers, the wax on new skis is fine. Ski few times and then take the skis in for a service (wax and edge).
As for binding adjustment, it is different. The binding release setting on the ski binding depends on a no of factors - your ski ability, height, weight, age, your ski boot's sole length.
It is easy if you know what to do, but I suggest you take it to a ski shop to get that checked and adjusted for you.
Refer to the following for reference: http://www.hkssa.net/showthread.php?t=4893
What about snowboard? Does the same apply? :confused:
Same apply for snowboard.
My opinion: detuning is necessary. There's no right or wrong, there are only consequences.
For precise tuning of the edges, Jomax tuning tool is the one to use. :)
The Jomax tuning tool is an extremely accurate and precise hand tuning device. The dial indicated Jomax can accurately measure and duplicate edge angles up to 1/60th of one degree.
This device is not a plastic guide, or of the thin framed type. These types of tuning tools are flimsy and allow some tool flexing during tunes. The Jomax is precision machined from solid billet aluminum, so it holds the tools (fine files, diamond files, polishing stones, etc.) solidly, accurately, without flexing.
However, selling at over HK$6,000, it is not exactly cheap. :eek:
One can almost buy two pairs of new skis.:p
If one only skis 7 days a year for two years -- and do not run over rocks -- one does not need to tune the edges at all, especially skiing in soft snow conditions (such as Japan). However if one skis mostly icy conditions such as the east coast of N. America, then it is another story.
Just wax your skis every season.
One can almost buy two pairs of new skis.:p
The Jomax tuning tool is for the professional (racers /ski shops). When I did the Ski Technican Course I asked the question and I was shown and told how to use the tool. However, if you want precision, then this is the tool.
Damn right, too expensive, I did not buy one. :D
Just take the skis to the shop for a proper service (wax and edge), and fill the gouges when necessary.
It is hard to beat shop's Wintersteiger.
It is hard to beat shop's Wintersteiger.
Barry, Snow & Rock use Wintersteiger equipment and they will finish off the edge tuning with a ceramic disc finish. :)
stillskiing
2010-02-12, 08:03
Has anyone experience a race tune(course pattern) grid on a pair of skis ? It is so smooth, reactive and FAST.
I encourage anyone to try it.
Has anyone experience a race tune(course pattern) grid on a pair of skis ? It is so smooth, reactive and FAST.
I encourage anyone to try it.
I have used the "Speedpaste" and "Speedpowder" - very expensive but very good. :eek: :) Other than that, no.
We should start a new thread on "Race Tune":
http://www.hkssa.net/showthread.php?t=34805
As I said in posting #1, New skis will work well straight out of the wrapper if they are properly manufactured.
What if the skis are not manufactured as they should be?
Here below a 8 parts video showing what should be done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNqXz9jTNg8&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=SPADABC267A2F54961
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOKefNZRllk&feature=autoplay&list=SPADABC267A2F54961&lf=list_related&playnext=2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBeZ_YnP4CE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY--Uh5lNzU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgz0stcIjOQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUZQ0isiPIQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuQpyZC_ziI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hsxuAaMjts&feature=related
I was talking to a retired very experienced ski technician in UK last month.
He said do not expect skis from factory (except for those high end ski manufacturers) are tuned already. Yes, they have some base wax, they have edges sharpened, but that is far from enough. He suggested that every pair of new skis should be waxed ... and not once. With racing skis, you lose about 20-30% of their speed if you take it to snow before it's properly prepared (at least 15 repetitions of waxing is recommended). Sure, this is not so important for recreational skiers.
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