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Here is an excellent method to learn to ski the 'steep'. This is from Warren Smith's "Go Ski":
Since the video clip is 27 MB, you should right click the mouse and "Save Target As" to your computer first before watching it:
http://www.slope8.com/jn/GoSki.wmv
It is well worth to watch the video clip with audio explanation. But for those who are lazy to download it, here are 3 animated gif images.
“Support yourself by resting your body weight on the pole, and progressively move your hip across and over your feet. As they are moving over, be sure to keep your weight on the pole. As the skis flatten, steer your legs. As you steer with the legs, keep your hip balanced over the balls of your feet. Don’t travel across the hill too much; imaging skiing within a 2 meter corridor….”
Are these techniques covered in his other Skiing Academy Lesson DVD series?
Are these techniques covered in his other Skiing Academy Lesson DVD series?
I have not noticed. Warren Smith's "Go Ski" is a very 'simple' 38 minutes video that covers most essential techniques. His other SKi Academy videos are good but pretty long in his presentation.
Skier,
Just a recap of what you said in your early postings (in the old forum):
"When skiing steeper terrain, racer will carve each turn with skill and speed. However, for us recreational skiers, we are not able to manage that especially in narrower terrain.
We try to finish each turn with a hard edge-check/set -- this will only compound the problem because hard edge-check will accelerate us through the turn, and making it difficult for us to make the next turn.
What we need to learn is ‘skillful skidding’ with less dynamic edging/ending:
http://www.slope8.com/jn/SteepLessEdge.mpg (revised 10.5 MB)
When the terrain is narrow, we try to have short radius edge-check turns, but what we should do is skillful pivoting and skidding without hard edge-checks:
http://www.slope8.com/jn/steep.mpg (4.4 MB)
(Save video clips first -- right click mouse and ‘Save Target As’)
As the video shows, controlled skidding is the way to go for us recreational skiers. If the terrain is wide enough, it will work up to, I guess, 30-degrees slope without any 'jump-turn'
If the slope is narrow and if the pitch is any steeper, 'jump-turn' may be necessary. Actually, if one executes the short turns correctly, there should be a rebound from the skis when one finishes a turn making the next turn easier. More weight on the outside ski (downhill ski) when finishing a turn is desirable so that one does not lean into the hill.
In the days of 'straight' skis, we skied with 'all' our weight on the turning ski (which became the downhill ski when finishing the turn)- it was one legged skiing.
With the invent of shaped-skis, skiing techniques have changed, basically because the racers found it more advantages to carve with both skis, and can go to much shorter skis.
Thus, the so called 'A' frame was discarded to favour the parallel shin (lower legs) position rendering both ski edges on the snow with the same angle.
However, on long GS turns, even racers start their turn with weight transfer to the up-hill ski or the new turning ski (way before the fall-line) and then roll that ski to the new edge --the temporary non-weighted ski is then put back on snow and the carving begins with both skis.
Now, recreational skiers learning with the new shaped skis think that they should always put weight on both skis and thus never learned to balance on one ski. If they don't finish the turn with more weight on the down-hill ski, they tend to lean into the hill (body position), and thus also lose the edge grip.
On really steep terrain, since the position of the down-hill ski is much lower (on the slope) then the up-hill ski, to initiate a 'jump turn', it is always done with the extension of the higher (positioned) up-hill ski.
On gentler slope doing short turns, one can use the 'rebound' of the skis (both skis) to initiate the next turn."
http://220.232.208.148:8080/viewtopic.php?t=4134&sid=da47997b84463fe29cb7cbdccf432906
Found the following tips some time ago:
"Steeps are slopes steeper than 40 degrees. Most steep black runs are under 30 degrees to put in perspective. These are the runs that when you stand at the top you can't even see if there really is a run or not. Any way steep slopes are not so hard on skis, a bit like skiing on ice easier for the skier than the boarder.
The technique for these steeper slopes is called a jump turn or pedal turn and is a development of our jumping around the pole technique. The problem with our jumping around the pole technique is that although fine for black runs you just don't get the skis around fast enough for these steeper slopes.
The key is to use you uphill ski as a launch pad and push down with you up hill leg whilst‘pedalling’ up with you down hill leg. This sounds complicated but is quite natural, a simple pedalling action. Once you have pedalled you retract both legs and spin your ankles to turn you skis. The amount you spin you ankles depends on the steepness of the hill. If it is really steep then you can spin them 180 degrees or if it is not so steep just 90 degrees and carve the rest.
You should start practising on the bottom step of some stairs, stand in a skiing position on the bottom two steps, one foot on each step, shoulders facing down hill. Now push off (jump) from you up hill foot and retract both feet and turn them 90 degrees and land on the floor. This should be a Cat like operation and you should land quietly.
This new advanced jump turn still uses the same pole plant, supporting your weight as you jump. You can also use your milking the giraffe outside arm jerk if you are having difficulty getting off the ground, but don't make this you style save it for emergencies.
Another problem with these extremely steep slopes is starting your first turn. It is very hard to do a jump turn from a static position, you need some of the energy from the previous turn to help you but you haven't turned yet. The key is to side slip just a little bit and then do a little stop. This is just like the end of a turn and will give you the spring that is required."
Have fun :D
I will bring you to some really steep, if you come to Tahoe.:p Some of the slopes that is over 40 degree have hugh moguls as well, make the descent more interesting. There is such a slope in Homewood, you need to ski up slope before you can reach the top. The view at the top is spetecular, with the whole lake is right under your foot. However, the descent is pretty hairy...:eek: The bad thing is that after you exhausted your energy to ski down, you still have to ski up slope to reach the lift...:cool::cool:
Jack - I will bring you to some really steep, if you come to Lantau.:p Some of the slopes that is over 40 degree have hugh bumps as well, make the descent more interesting. There is such a slope in Sunset Peak, you need to go up slope before you can reach the top. The view at the top is spectacular, with the whole sea right under your foot. However, the descent is pretty hairy...:eek: The bad thing is that after you exhausted your energy to go down, you still have to go up slope to reach the bottom...:cool::cool:
Just joking:D
Fish and Lantau :rolleyes:
Not sure whether it is posted before: http://www.sportskool.com/videos/steeps
Warren Smith's method is way easier especial on icy condition. But what taught in the above video are good too, just skip the carving part if condition doesn't allow. At about 10:30, they talked about killing speed at the top of the turn.
- Brian
Not sure whether it is posted before: http://www.sportskool.com/videos/steeps
Warren Smith's method is way easier especial on icy condition. But what taught in the above video are good too, just skip the carving part if condition doesn't allow. At about 10:30, they talked about killing speed at the top of the turn.
- Brian
Good video of how to ski the steep.
Four key points:
1. Commit to the terrain -- don't back off
2. Solid pole plant down the hill -- it will stabilize your balance and help you commit to the terrain
3. Committing to the outside ski -- give it a '100%' over the outside ski
4. Speed control -- slow yourself at the top of the turn
Warren Smith emphasizes the 'killing of the speed' -- and showed us how to do it by 'scraping off' the speed at the top of the turn -- which is also promoted by Bode Miller. But if you watch his video, Warren Smith finishes the turn pretty much like Bode Miller's with some carving.
Not sure whether it is posted before: http://www.sportskool.com/videos/steeps
Warren Smith's method is way easier especial on icy condition. But what taught in the above video are good too, just skip the carving part if condition doesn't allow. At about 10:30, they talked about killing speed at the top of the turn.
- Brian
Yes, it was posted in the old site: :)
http://220.232.208.148:8080/viewtopic.php?t=7097&highlight=sportskool&sid=47e2deeeabaf632b07a97664f5fc4786
I will bring you to some really steep, if you come to Tahoe.:p Some of the slopes that is over 40 degree have hugh moguls as well, make the descent more interesting.
How about Corbet's Couloir? ;)
How about Corbet's Couloir? ;)
Jackson Hole is too expensive..:o
nice clip wondering if anyone been to any warren smith courses
nice clip wondering if you been to any warren smith courses
I know couple of "member" of this Forum have (in New Zealand and Saas Fee) :)
what were their feed back with regard to benefit and value 4 money, warren runs summer courses in Saas Fee in the summer months advertised in uk as far as i can make up Participants are budding instractors and semi expert skiiers not many punters only skiing 2/3 weeks a year
what were their feed back with regard to benefit and value 4 money
I rather let them to decide whether they want to share their experience. ;)
I rather let them to decide whether they want to share their experience. ;)
yes of course just wondering any posts been made inthe past
try to search the old forum
http://220.232.208.148:8080/search.php?mode=results&sid=519a8dd1ef7ae4353b9978d70b7ddf6f
try to search the old forum
http://220.232.208.148:8080/search.php?mode=results&sid=519a8dd1ef7ae4353b9978d70b7ddf6f
thanks jackman How didyou know that ??
i am an old fart on this board.
yes of course just wondering any posts been made inthe past
To search for previous posting, all you need to do is to go bottom of the front page and click "舊HKSSA網站"
You will then be directed to the old forum, then you can search for previous postings by clicking "文章搜尋" and type in a keyword(s)
Have fun.:)
To search for previous posting, all you need to do is to go bottom of the front page and click "舊HKSSA網站"
You will then be directed to the old forum, then you can search for previous postings by clicking "文章搜尋" and type in a keyword(s)
Have fun.:)
GOT it TA very much Mike
How about Corbet's Couloir? ;)
Here is a video on the infamous Corbet's Couloir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zwUBMrRbSo
Here is a video on the infamous Corbet's Couloir
Corbet's Couloir tackled by some snowboarders:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl7PWumkyyo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geG33mdvpK8&feature=related
Just couple more tips on skiing steep terrain:
Commit to the fall line:
· REACH FOR SUCCESS - Instincts are supposed to keep you safe. But on steep terrain they can get you in trouble. To initiate a new turn you must let go of the old one. Ignore your impulse to cling to the security of the hill and commit your body down the fall line.
· CENTER JUSTIFIED - Imagine standing barefoot on your skis. If you are not centered, you will slide off. Try to feel the bottom of your entire foot against the ski.
· SUPPORT SYSTEM - A blocking pole plant stabilizes your upper body so you can shift your hips over your downhill ski to initiate the turn. Engage your core for extra support.
PROBLEM: Leaning into the hill
As you finish a turn on steep terrain, it is natural to resist the pull of the fall line by shifting your weight to your uphill ski, stiffening your downhill leg and twisting your shoulders up the hill. With your hips this far inside, you can't release your old edges to start your new turn. Even if your brain tells you to reach down the fall line, your body might not be willing.
SOLUTION: Retrain your body
Try set your poles aside and grab your backpack (if you have one). Traverse the slope with the pack in your downhill hand. The weight of the bag will pull your upper body and your hips over your downhill ski. As long as you engage your core and tip your knees into the hill you will stay balanced. Now grab your poles and make a few turns, recreating this body position at each transition.
video showing some steep terrain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpSQZf3Mc9Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AkQWe4fgs4&feature=related
This is slightly different because of the deep powder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htMNptqCFRQ&feature=player_embedded#!
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