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舊 2012-07-22, 14:00   #1
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Small size women's ski boots

If you have small feet and looking for a pair of ski boots, choice is not really on your side.

Lange RS 110 smallest size 21.5 although the external shell is a size 22, the inside has had a filler put in the mould and the liner is a size 21.5

Tecnica Inferno 90 comes down to size 21 but this boot may be discontinued after this season.

Dalbello has a new 2013 version of the Krypton (called the KR2) in a true size 21 but they will not be delivered until winter.
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舊 2012-07-25, 15:56   #2
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Tecnica Inferno 90 comes down to size 21 but this boot may be discontinued after this season.
Just heard that Technica will continue to make the 260mm, adult dimension boot sole, 90 flex, orange colour Inferno ski boots in size 21 mondopoint for the coming season.
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舊 2012-07-26, 07:19   #3
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If finding a pair of small size ski boots is a problem, one can consider Junior ski boots.
For example, Dalbello Menace 4 ski boots with size range from 19.5 to 25.5.

Note: if you do decide to buy a pair of Junior ski boots make sure the boots have an adult sole, it will have an "A" embossed near the centerline mark on the boot. This indicates an adult boot sole dimension, and any adult ski binding will work. If the boot has a "C" embossed, this indicates that the boot sole is a children's, and only a children's ski binding will work. The difference between adults and children's is the size of the heel and toe.
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舊 2013-12-30, 23:52   #4
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I'm looking to buy my wife a pair of ski boots, however she's a 21.5 and 90 lbs
Since she is between beginner and intermediate and with her weight I'm afraid she can't handle the inferno 90.
Any advice? And importantly, any chance to get them in HK?
Thanks in advance.
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舊 2013-12-31, 11:25   #5
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Unlikely you will find any in HK.

Have a look at the Dalbello Kr2 Chakra, it goes down to size 21.
http://www.dalbello.it/us/product-kr_two_chakra-105
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舊 2013-12-31, 13:36   #6
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Thanks Mike for the tip.

But at a flex rating of 95, I'm not sure if she can handle it just yet..

I'll keep finding it...
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Any advice? And importantly, any chance to get them in HK?
Have you tried Play in Kwun Tong? Give them a call see whether they have anything in size 21.5.
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The smallest they currently have is 22.5
I'm asking Sheung Wan waiting for their reply
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舊 2014-01-01, 22:09   #9
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Turned out we were able to find and bought a pair of junior boots sized 21.0 (with "C" mark on the sole). She is 5'1" and 85 lbs only so I think they were the right boots for her.

Mike and others, do you know what is the difference of junior boots ("C") and normal adult boots? We are going to rent the skis in the resort. Will the skis be different from the normal ones? Anything else we need to know with these junior boots?

Thanks so much in advance.
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舊 2014-01-02, 07:12   #10
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Mike and others, do you know what is the difference of junior boots ("C") and normal adult boots? We are going to rent the skis in the resort. Will the skis be different from the normal ones? Anything else we need to know with these junior boots?
Please refer to posting no. 3 above.
Please note that junior ski boots with "C" marking only work with kid's bindings.
Where did you buy the junior boots? The shop assistant should have told you that you cannot use junior ski boots (with C marking on the sole) on adult ski bindings for safety reason.

Junior Norms vs. Adult Norms for Alpine Ski Bindings and Ski Boots
All current alpine boot manufacturers make ski boots with different adult vs. junior norms that meet ISO (the International Organization for Standardization) standards. Alpine ski boots are typically stamped with “ISO” or “DIN” to indicate that they conform to the norms. Generally, adult ski boot sole dimension norms begin at size mondopoint 22 (US Men’s Size 4) and go up to 31.5 or even higher. Junior ski boots run from mondopoint 14.5 to mondopoint 22.5. This is critically important to note, as you will need a ski binding that conforms to either the adult norm or junior norm. You cannot use a junior norm ski boot with an adult ski binding. Junior ski bindings have lower release settings. Most junior bindings can accept adult boots but almost all adult bindings WILL NOT accept junior boots. However, there are a few exceptions where junior bindings will accept both junior and adult ski boots norms. If the child is growing rapidly and at the stage where he or she is in between junior and adult products check out a binding like the Rossignol Freeski 45 Ski Bindings because it is designed to fit both junior and adult ski boots and it also comes with a set of junior and adult mounting screws so regardless it will be compatible with the skis and boots. Adult boots are defined by ISO 5355.

Junior Skis vs. Adult Skis
Ski bindings must be compatible with the user’s skis as well as their ski boots. A thin profiled junior ski is not deep enough to accommodate adult length ski binding screws. Adult screws are designed to sink approx 8mm into the ski where junior binding screws are designed to sink only about 6mm. The extra length of an adult screw doesn’t seem like much but it is enough to leave bumps in the ski base of a junior ski. Additionally, if you were to use kid’s screws are used on an adult ski the screws won’t have enough depth to hold the binding to the ski under normal pressure applied by an adult.

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舊 2014-01-02, 11:59   #11
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I bought them in Sheung Wan.

In fact, I raised my concern about "C" boots not fitting adult bindings at least five times
I asked "Will it be compatible with normal skis?" "Will she be forced to use child skis?", etc
and every time the boot fitter answered "There will not be any problems" "The rental stops will be able to find one that fits" "it is not a problem"; as if my questions were not relevant questions.

That being said, I think 1) she will not be able to find adult norm boots that fit her (they even had a pair of 21.0 adult boots for her to try but they didn't fit as well as the junior ones, with a lot of toe vertical space and heel lift); 2) For her size (5'1" 85 lbs), to be fair junior boots should fit her better than the adult norm ones (do you agree or disagree?). So we ended up with the junior "c" boots home.

I do not have much knowledge on bindings and skis so I'd much appreciate if you could provide some insights:
1) From your information above, her boots must match with junior sized skis and bindings. Will she be able to find suitable skis with junior bindings in the rental shop?
2) Or is it necessary to buy her own custom skis for this situation?
3) I've seen children skiing with much shorter skis (not skiboards). Does the length of the skis have anything to do with junior/adult bindings/skis difference or just the height of the skier?
4) Do you see any problem for her to ski with junior boots+bindings+skis? Any limitations?

Thanks so much for your valuable information.
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舊 2014-01-02, 15:10   #12
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1) From your information above, her boots must match with junior sized skis and bindings. Will she be able to find suitable skis with junior bindings in the rental shop?
2) Or is it necessary to buy her own custom skis for this situation?
3) I've seen children skiing with much shorter skis (not skiboards). Does the length of the skis have anything to do with junior/adult bindings/skis difference or just the height of the skier?
4) Do you see any problem for her to ski with junior boots+bindings+skis? Any limitations?
They have some very good sales in Sheung Wan, haven't they? "The rental stops will be able to find one that fits", yes the shop will find one, WHAT? Not the one you would want, I think.
To answer your questions:
1/. Her boots being Junior boots, the dimension of the lugs (front and back of the boots) are thinner than the lugs on the adult boots, so if you put them in an adult binding, the boots will not be retained and released at the proper safe pressure/forces. So, junior boots for junior ski bindings only.
Yes. you should be able to rent junior skis in ski shops.

3/. Difference between adult skis and junior skis are:
Generally speaking, junior skis are built lighter and thinner, ie. they are designed for a lighter skier, they are narrower, relative to their length then a comparable adult ski. The construction and quality of the junior skis are inferior, the junior skis are thinner than the adult skis. Adult bindings' screws penetrate the skis approximately 9mm, junior bindings' screws penetrate the skis approximately 7mm, if you install adult bindings on junior skis the screws will penetrate the ski base. On the other hand, if you install junior bindings on adult skis, the screws will not be deep enough to take the forces. Junior skis usually never work well for an adult. They are too soft for adult strength.
Length of skis to use is a bit more complicated, it depends on height, weight, and technical skill of the skier. Please refer to the threads on choosing skis for reference.

4/. For reasons given above. Personally, I would buy a pair of boots for teenagers, you can get a pair of teenagers' boots (eg. Dalbello Menace http://www.dalbello.it/en/boots?genre=Bambino ) from size 19 up to 26 and come with an adult sole for adult ski bindings.
Adult skis can be as short as 140, but not easy to find.
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舊 2014-01-02, 17:46   #13
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To be fair, her size is indeed a junior/child factor in western standard. Some foreign children aged 12-13 may be even taller and weight more than her. That's what I thought when we decided to purchased the boots.

Construction quality and technical wise, of course ideally I'll want her skiing in adult norm boots/bindings/skis. But she doesn't really have an option, does she? On the other hand, again at her size, she should be doing OK with child norm stuff too. Am I correct?

The boots we got are the Dabello Elle. From a bit of Googling, it should be a 2008/09 model in the same league of Menace (the manual found from the web put Elle and Menace in the same category). It also has 4 buckles. As far as I know, even the Menace will come with the junior sole, especially at size 21. So it wouldn't make any difference than the one she's got right now.

So I guess I'll try to rent and make sure the bindings are of child/junior norms. Is there any visual difference between those bindings from adult ones?
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舊 2014-01-02, 19:50   #14
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The boots we got are the Dabello Elle. From a bit of Googling, it should be a 2008/09 model in the same league of Menace (the manual found from the web put Elle and Menace in the same category). It also has 4 buckles. As far as I know, even the Menace will come with the junior sole, especially at size 21. So it wouldn't make any difference than the one she's got right now.
Dalbello kids/teenagers' ski boots cover a big range. The Menace 1 to Menace 4, the Gaia 1 to Gaia 4, etc. The Menace & Gaia 1s are for real kids and the Menace 4 has an adult sole. Menace 4 available from size 19 to 26.5 http://www.dalbello.it/en/product-menace_4-163
I have a pair of Menace 4 (not the size you want) here at home to prove it has an adult sole.
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舊 2014-01-02, 22:48   #15
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No wonder. But I've seen some models only come with adult soles once they are as large as 22 or so.

I've learnt so much from your posts and I guess I'll have the final question.
At my wife's size, do you think it is better to ski on junior gears or adult gears? What are the pros and cons?
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