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舊 2010-03-19, 10:53   #76
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Now this is the same easier bump(super course of hirafu) of the two video of my friend in better visibility. Now the bump is more visible and the skiing movement looks clearer too. The harder bump of the two video is like 1 times deeper and the slope is steeper. Again I must say this is bad skiing. Not much flexion and extension. But then I m not seeing any hit or landing at all even though its zipper line skiing. It is good enough for me as an occasional intermediate mogul skier. :)



again i like to invite video of other schools skiing the same run. I know many people love niseko here and many people are mogul expert. so that instead of just saying this is bad skiing why not lets see more videos from others? :)

i love line graphics

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舊 2010-03-19, 11:13   #77
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Now this is the same easier bump(super course of hirafu) of the two video of my friend in better visibility. Now the bump is more visible and the skiing movement looks clearer too. The harder bump of the two video is like 1 times deeper and the slope is steeper. Again I must say this is bad skiing. Not much flexion and extension. But then I m not seeing any hit or landing at all even though its zipper line skiing. It is good enough for me as an occasional intermediate mogul skier. :)

Hmm.... Though the moguls are not big, and the snow is soft, but I won't say that is bad skiing. I think it is pretty good. ;)
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舊 2010-03-19, 11:19   #78
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from pmts's perspective this guy is not doing enough flexing and extension as McKay spotted. So it is bad in PMTS context, no doubt about that. He should be able to ski faster if he add that dynamics element to his skiing. But I heard this guy now is able to do trampoline turns using rebound so I believe we will be seeing some faster mogul zipper line skiing on his next attempt if he is willing to show us. :)

btw - i think this is less then the previous video as the condition is far worse in earlier vid. In this condition its all white out like a very flat snow surface. He had to predict where the next hole rather then can see it clearly less to seeing 3 or 4 holes ahead to plan his route. kind of mogul skiing by response. :)

i love line graphics
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舊 2010-03-19, 12:19   #79
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from pmts's perspective this guy is not doing enough flexing and extension as McKay spotted. So it is bad in PMTS context, no doubt about that. He should be able to ski faster if he add that dynamics element to his skiing. But I heard this guy now is able to do trampoline turns using rebound so I believe we will be seeing some faster mogul zipper line skiing on his next attempt if he is willing to show us. :)

btw - i think this is less then the previous video as the condition is far worse in earlier vid. In this condition its all white out like a very flat snow surface. He had to predict where the next hole rather then can see it clearly less to seeing 3 or 4 holes ahead to plan his route. kind of mogul skiing by response. :)
The skiing in the last video look much better.

looking ahead 3 to 4 holes is a very difficult thing.
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舊 2010-03-19, 12:30   #80
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The skiing in the last video look much better.
As a matter of fact he was not able to ski the mogul below the gondola before he trained himself in this mogul for 2 days. So technically he should have better skill in the previous video as he was able to negotiate the very big holes previously impossible but surprising looks better in the last. dont know why. :)

i love line graphics
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舊 2010-03-20, 06:29   #81
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I have a client yesterday and he said he cannot ski mogul and have deep fear of it. I show him the "bank magic" DVD and just tell him to ski the right line. Skiing the bank is nothing new. You can ski a rounder turn on the banks which is better to our knees. He tried and here is the result after one run. It is the supercourse of course. He was so happy because for these kind of moguls, he usually cannot last 3 of them, but now he can last many more.

after one day of practise, the moguls are harder, the troughs are deeper, he is very tired, but he can smooth them out even better. dot know why :)
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舊 2010-03-20, 07:27   #82
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I have a client yesterday and he said he cannot ski mogul and have deep fear of it. I show him the "bank magic" DVD and just tell him to ski the right line. Skiing the bank is nothing new. You can ski a rounder turn on the banks which is better to our knees. He tried and here is the result after one run. It is the supercourse of course. He was so happy because for these kind of moguls, he usually cannot last 3 of them, but now he can last many more.

after one day of practise, the moguls are harder, the troughs are deeper, he is very tired, but he can smooth them out even better. dot know why :)
咁快就學有所"成":D,真係羨慕又妒忌
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舊 2010-03-20, 08:01   #83
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I have a client yesterday and he said he cannot ski mogul and have deep fear of it. I show him the "bank magic" DVD and just tell him to ski the right line. Skiing the bank is nothing new. You can ski a rounder turn on the banks which is better to our knees. He tried and here is the result after one run. It is the supercourse of course. He was so happy because for these kind of moguls, he usually cannot last 3 of them, but now he can last many more.
Very good indeed -- great teacher and good student (need that too) :)
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舊 2010-03-20, 11:27   #84
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I think i was in the same situation. skiing the line he shown in his video suddenly allowed me to get through the bumps easily. I can see there are little hits and landing too. :)

i love line graphics
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舊 2010-03-20, 16:17   #85
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Very good indeed -- great teacher and good student (need that too) :)
Not great teacher, I didn't teach him anything except to tell him to ski the banks. At first, he always look at the trough with fear and cannot ski all along the bank(turning the ski too fast). That's why he hit the trough hard sometimes in the first video. The second video, you can see him skiing more on the banks, so there is not much impact with the trough. We haven't go into absorbsion yet, because I want him to focus more on the line. The next thing will be slow pivoting, absorbsion, putting the center of mass down the fall line more each time when initiating a turn, more accurate pole plants, upper body and lower body separation etc etc. But you cannot ask him to do so many things on day one. So the road is still long, but at least he has a good start.

Here is a video of a ski instructor of Hirafu leading some student down supercourse. If anyone wants a mogul lesson from him please let me know. I am quite sure there is no knee issues if you ski like him.

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舊 2010-03-21, 08:27   #86
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Just to remind that it is all in Lito's "Bump & Powder" as well. ;)
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舊 2010-03-22, 04:53   #87
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Let see how other Chinese recreational skier takes the mogul (at Quebec, Canada), not the ski the bank type.



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舊 2010-03-22, 11:50   #88
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Let see how other Chinese recreational skier takes the mogul (at Quebec, Canada), not the ski the bank type.


good skiiing ,

relax, well balance , good timing,

looks like a young guy.
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舊 2010-03-23, 05:03   #89
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At first, he always look at the trough with fear and cannot ski all along the bank(turning the ski too fast). That's why he hit the trough hard sometimes in the first video. The second video, you can see him skiing more on the banks, so there is not much impact with the trough.
Just re-read the whole thread and think the "turning too fast" hurt me all the time. Especially, when the slope get steeper and in the fear of picking up speed, I will quickly turn my ski and try to slide down. Now the worst part came when the trough is too narrow for my ski to turn sideway. There comes my panic moment.

Time for me to practice and practice. Thx everyone.
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舊 2010-03-23, 11:46   #90
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Just re-read the whole thread and think the "turning too fast" hurt me all the time. Especially, when the slope get steeper and in the fear of picking up speed, I will quickly turn my ski and try to slide down. Now the worst part came when the trough is too narrow for my ski to turn sideway. There comes my panic moment.

Time for me to practice and practice. Thx everyone.
You just reminded me of something. I have the same experience before. Then I ski on the side of the bumps (about the bottom half of the height of the bumps) instaed of the bottom of the trough so as to get a wider space for pivoting. And then I found that the more you pivot (like perpendicular to the fall line) the more difficult it is for you to manouver down the mogul. The less you pivot (like 30 degree from the fall line), the more you are in control (including speed surprisingly). Once you found that you can control the speed, there is no more fear and you would dare to try out other possibilities. Of course on steep or icy mogul, it's still difficult and scary.
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