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舊 2008-06-19, 18:30   #31
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Now the racers will load both skis much earlier in the turn. PMTS has since also modified their teaching (I think).
I have also realized that he does not mention the "Phantom Move" in the new book, Essentials of Skiing. Moreover, the focus is shifted to 6 major elements to illustrate his skiing techniques. The elements include Tipping, Flexing and Extending, Counterbalancing, Counteracting, The complete Upper Body, and Fore/After Balance.


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PMTS has its merits, but to say that everybody else is 'wrong' is a bit too much.
Agree. In addition, based on HH's suggestion, I have a doubt that carving can be used for all situations. Maybe it works but the efficiency is another issue.


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PMTS talks about the lifting of the non-stance ski which will trigger a chain of events that will automatically load the stance-ski and cause it to turn without pivoting.
It is a very simple statement to point out the core idea of the "Phantom Move". BTW, it is mentioned that you adopt Phantom Move on gentler terrains, how about on the steep terrains?
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舊 2008-06-19, 18:38   #32
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Its main purpose is to remove the blocking and thereby allow tipping, CA, CB, flexing, extension and body seperation all at once. What do you think with your understanding? :)
Could carver_hk-ski provide further information about the blocking?
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舊 2008-06-19, 19:23   #33
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Could carver_hk-ski provide further information about the blocking?
To me blocking means an obstacle is getting on the way. In this context it simply means the inside leg is same length as the outside leg. If the inside leg is not kept light then it blocks all the other body parts from making the right manoever because you would ski mostly on your inside leg.
Btw. I have just uploaded my latest attempt of BPST to my profile. I set it up to 5 times slower than the actual skiing. One thing worth mentioning is the effortless skiing with BPST. Everything is automatic apart from the balance. You are welcome to check it out. :)

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舊 2008-06-19, 23:07   #34
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In this context it simply means the inside leg is same length as the outside leg. If the inside leg is not kept light then it blocks all the other body parts from making the right manoever because you would ski mostly on your inside leg.

Btw. I have just uploaded my latest attempt of BPST to my profile.
Ok, I see. Where can I view your latest video?
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舊 2008-06-19, 23:13   #35
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Ok, I see. Where can I view your latest video?
Just click my profile. My icon is animated version of my version of less than correct BPST turn.

edit: just found that the icon in my profile is not working. So I put the icon in my profiles homepage.

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舊 2008-06-20, 13:19   #36
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Just click my profile. My icon is animated version of my version of less than correct BPST turn.
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Yes, I found it. However, I am not familiar with BPST turn. Would you briefly explain it or just give me a link for reference?
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舊 2008-06-21, 08:49   #37
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Yes, I found it. However, I am not familiar with BPST turn. Would you briefly explain it or just give me a link for reference?
I checked the online course I think the 'blue' lessons can give you a basic understanding of BPST.

http://harbskisystems.com/olb.htm

However if you are interested the books does provide lot more details. Going back to my turns. Its less than good BPST. I didn't have much flexing, no proper pole plant, insufficient pull back before engagement and a sign of sinful up-move as considered by PMTS. But already enable me to ski all mountain without much effort.

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舊 2008-06-21, 23:35   #38
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It is a very simple statement to point out the core idea of the "Phantom Move". BTW, it is mentioned that you adopt Phantom Move on gentler terrains, how about on the steep terrains?
On steeper terrains, I ski the way that Warren Smith teaches. At my age, I am a cautious skier, enjoying the sport like driving a Porsche on steep winding road, controlled but not fast, so that not to cause injury to myself or others :)

I also think the 'Aspen Method' taught by John Clendenin is good for all mountain skiing for us recreational skiers.

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舊 2008-06-22, 00:13   #39
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It is a very simple statement to point out the core idea of the "Phantom Move". BTW, it is mentioned that you adopt Phantom Move on gentler terrains, how about on the steep terrains?
My understanding of PMTS: the principal ingredient is tipping of the skis to their edge. Phantom move is the movement to initiate a new turn. Phantom move can be used on all terrain according to HH, although I have not the ability to ski that way down proper moguls. Brushed carving is used to control speed without pivoting the skis.

Is brushed carving the same as skidding? To me, their effects are very similar, if not the same. The difference is at the initiation. The PMTS way does not pivot the skis, so the edge are angled less to lose traction gradually. Pivoting is deliberate "rotating" of the skis and more (if not all) traction is lost right at the beginning. PMTS therefore might take a little less muscular effort but may carry more speed. If braking is of primary concern, pivoting might be more useful. To bleed off some speed, brushed carving is perhaps more suitable.

Bulletproof Short Turns are very much like slalom racing technique. Clearly we all want to get there in one big step, taking no more than watching a few clips on the net, practising for a run or two and "get there" totally. In reality, I suggest taking one step at a time.
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舊 2008-06-22, 02:25   #40
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Is brushed carving the same as skidding? To me, their effects are very similar, if not the same. The difference is at the initiation. .
My guess is the bottom half. The top half is just balancing. Because BPST's two basic ingredient is the effortless balancing on top and carving on bottom. Of cause the best thing to do is to ask pmts guys in his forum. While skidding is more like platforming on top and drive on bottom(check epicski for this one). Forgive me if my guess is too out of line. :)

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舊 2008-06-23, 18:31   #41
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On steeper terrains, I ski the way that Warren Smith teaches. At my age, I am a cautious skier, enjoying the sport like driving a Porsche on steep winding road, controlled but not fast, so that not to cause injury to myself or others :)
I also tried this method and found that it is quite useful in terms of speed control and turn arc management.

On the other hand, maybe I do not have serious practice, I feel that it is difficult to make a jump for the turning initiative. So, I think I may not understand the critical actions of this method.

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I also think the 'Aspen Method' taught by John Clendenin is good for all mountain skiing for us recreational skiers.

I do not have the information of the 'Aspen Method'. Would you give me a link for further study?
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舊 2008-06-23, 18:38   #42
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My understanding of PMTS: the principal ingredient is tipping of the skis to their edge. Phantom move is the movement to initiate a new turn.
Agree. I also feel that my body weight will automatically shift to my stand foot when I perform the Phantom Move. In addition, I did an experiment that the turn arc was reduced if I further put my body weight on the stand foot.
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舊 2008-06-23, 18:53   #43
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Going back to my turns. Its less than good BPST. I didn't have much flexing, no proper pole plant, insufficient pull back before engagement and a sign of sinful up-move as considered by PMTS. But already enable me to ski all mountain without much effort.
Due to the resolution of the gif, I cannot see the action clearly. Could you send the video to me via PM?

Referring to the pull back, I would like to clarify the timing of this action. Normally, I try to pull back my free foot at the moment that is just before the high-C position. Is it a good/correct timing?

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Is brushed carving the same as skidding? To me, their effects are very similar, if not the same. The difference is at the initiation. .
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My guess is the bottom half. The top half is just balancing. Because BPST's two basic ingredient is the effortless balancing on top and carving on bottom.
That is the reason why I want to get more information about the Brushed Carving. Actually, I have the similar 'skidding effects'. Moreover, I have 'carving effects' at the moment that is just before end of the each turn. I also feel that the edges for the carving are close to the tail of the skis. Whether these effects are correct or not?
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舊 2008-06-23, 19:51   #44
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Moreover, I have 'carving effects' at the moment that is just before end of the each turn. I also feel that the edges for the carving are close to the tail of the skis. Whether these effects are correct or not?
To my understanding there should be edge grip by fall line. Your feeling sounds like a little bit late. I guess you might have a checking instead. But you know its hard to tell from feeling alone. :)

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舊 2008-06-25, 22:24   #45
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I also tried this method and found that it is quite useful in terms of speed control and turn arc management.

On the other hand, maybe I do not have serious practice, I feel that it is difficult to make a jump for the turning initiative. So, I think I may not understand the critical actions of this method.


I do not have the information of the 'Aspen Method'. Would you give me a link for further study?

No need to make a 'jump turn' unless it is really STEEP. Warren Smith has another way for relatively 'steep' which was covered in:

http://www.hkssa.net/showthread.php?t=375

Aspen method:

http://aspenmethod.com
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