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舊 2008-06-26, 16:40   #46
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To my understanding there should be edge grip by fall line. Your feeling sounds like a little bit late.:)
Thanks, carver_hk-ski, for your further clarification. And it is a good indicator for my reference.
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舊 2008-06-26, 16:44   #47
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No need to make a 'jump turn' unless it is really STEEP. Warren Smith has another way for relatively 'steep' which was covered in:

http://www.hkssa.net/showthread.php?t=375
Thanks, Skier. This is another good suggestion from Warren Smith. Actually, I have this book and video but I forgot this technique. Perhaps, it is a good time to review the video and book again.

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Aspen method:

http://aspenmethod.com
Skier, you also lead me to know a new method for enjoying snow. The idea, Four Words, is quite new to me. I will read more information about this method in my leisure time.

At a glance, this method is quite elegant and effortless, especially in moguls. However, skiing on steeper terrain is not provided based on the videos. So, I cannot imagine how they can maintain their elegant posture on steeper terrains.

BTW, I have found an article to describe this method. Here is a link (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...8,00.html) for reference.

此篇文章於 2008-06-26 17:37 被 eLeung 編輯。.
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舊 2008-06-26, 20:34   #48
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Thanks, carver_hk-ski, for your further clarification. And it is a good indicator for my reference.
You are welcome. I m sure there are so much fun waiting for you in the pursuit of skiing. :)

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舊 2008-06-27, 14:37   #49
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BTW, I have found an article to describe this method. Here is a link (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...8,00.html) for reference.[/font][/color]
The link you provided does not work.

Here is an "overview" provided by Bode Klammer in EpicSki:

"At Camp with the Camps, we first introduce the concept of drifting on soft edges.

We learn to control our speed with turn shape avoiding the hard ridges and troughs.

While drifting we find early centering on the uphill foot (little toe edge).

We use the pole touch to cue tipping and committing our center of mass to our new intended drift (momentum). Pole touch is most functional when our torso is facing and connected with our path of momentum.

General debunking of mogul myths, or what we look for in all-mountain skiing:

1. We encourage a stance that is as narrow as functionally possible.
2. We look for hands held comfortably in front of the torso (as if holding a breakfast tray); not way in front or with hands held up (with poles in a vertical position).
3. We encourage a tall stance in the boot; not pressing or resting against the tongue of the boot.
4. Initially we encourage finding early balance on The up-hill ski; not relying and hanging onto the big toe edge of the downhill ski (unless for an Intended weighted release).
5. We teach ski snow contact with avalement, absorbing terrain with the whole body.
6. We encourage soft, that is progressive, edge awareness; not hard (or habitual) edges.
7. We use our four movements concept to create awareness of accurate syntax. For example; “re-balance” not “weight shift”; edges defined as big toe edge of downhill ski and the little toe edge of the up-hill ski; NOT left or right or inside/outside."


A full discussion on the subject in EpicSki:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=56550
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舊 2008-06-27, 15:22   #50
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Here is an "overview" provided by Bode Klammer in EpicSki:.........
General debunking of mogul myths, or what we look for in all-mountain skiing:

1. We encourage a stance that is as narrow as functionally possible.

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Here is a comment made by 4 times Olympian Martin Bell about the JC's narrow stance from the same thread.

Watching the John Clendenin video, I was reminded of these two threads:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=56501
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=56497
where the words "graceful" and "pretty" were mentioned. I can see how many people would watch that and use those adjectives to describe JC's skiing.

But beauty really is in the eye of the beholder; to my (ex-racer's) eye, keeping the stance so permanently narrow looks stiff and cramped.

However, it must be remembered that JC was a World Champion in freestyle, where a closed stance is absolutely essential for maximum points. So skiing that way is probably as natural to him as breathing to the rest of us.

As Weems said, there really is more than one "right way" to ski - it is a matter of opinion, not clearcut fact. Having said that, if a client came up and insisted that I teach him/her to ski like JC in that video, I suppose I would try my best to comply.

note: Weem is psia level 3 examiner.

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舊 2008-06-28, 17:26   #51
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A narrower stance with a flexed inside leg knee allows more edge angle being developed and more loading on the outside leg's edge. Using a narrow stance still needs very flexible legs.

If one skis in a "stiff & cramped" way, he can't ski well whether he uses a wide or a narrow stance.

With a wider stance, the inside leg could inadvertently prevent the outside leg from being loaded properly.

Qualities such as "style", "gracefulness" "elegance" are a result of good skiing. These mystical qualities are not the causes of good skiing, but results.
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舊 2008-06-28, 18:51   #52
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The subject of "stance" had been discussed in the old "forum" and quite extensively in other ski forums elsewhere. I have re-post the subject under a new thread for further discussion.
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舊 2008-06-28, 23:24   #53
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The link you provided does not work.
In that case, I place the link here again http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/recreation_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_85_4361948,00.html

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A full discussion on the subject in EpicSki:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=56550
Both the pros and cons of Aspen method were discussed in this thread. To understand the target market of this method, the following paragraph is extracted from the thread for reference.

The Camps are specifically geared for mature skiers wanting to ski bumps, crud, powder, and any expert-level terrain with as little effort as possible. “So much of the ski industry has been focused on carving and cliff jumping with the advent of shaped skis that we have forgotten the majority of skiers just want a safe, enjoyable experience, but still not be intimidated by more challenging terrain,” says Clendenin.
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舊 2008-06-28, 23:46   #54
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A narrower stance with a flexed inside leg knee allows more edge angle being developed and more loading on the outside leg's edge. Using a narrow stance still needs very flexible legs....
Agree. The following paragraph is extracted from Clendenin's book to explain why he proposes the narrow stance in mogul skiing.

We encourage a stance that is as narrow as functionally possible. As we shall see, a fundamental flaw prevalent in mogul skiing—indeed, in all skiing—is the stem. A narrow stance helps banish the stem and, as a bonus, looks better than an artificial wide stance.
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舊 2008-06-28, 23:56   #55
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The subject of "stance" had been discussed in the old "forum" and quite extensively in other ski forums elsewhere. I have re-post the subject under a new thread for further discussion.
Thanks, Mike. :)
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