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舊 2008-07-20, 21:21   #1
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Ski vs. snowboard

On and on I hear the following comments.

1) Skiing is for old guy whereas snowboarding is for youth.
2) Skiing is easy and effortless whereas snowboarding is difficult and exhausted.
3) Skiing is old fashioned whereas snowboarding is so cool.

Do you agree or disagree?

此篇文章於 2008-07-20 21:37 被 eLeung 編輯。.
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These comments are only 'produced' by snowboarders :)

Snowboarders with loose clothes and comfortable boots, carrying the board in one arm does look cool. No need to wear hard boots, carry the heavy skis on the shoulder, and carry poles.

Yes, there are a lot of young guys going to snowboarding, especially ones that have been on skate boards when really young. Snowboarding is easier to master after a few days of falling, and definitely easier to master to enjoy. Skiing is difficult to be good.

Ask any dual instructors and see what they think. Freeskier feels that definitely there are more 'substance' to skiing. He compared snowboarding to 'white wine', and skiing to 'red wine'. :)
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On and on I hear the following comments.

1) Skiing is for old guy whereas snowboarding is for youth.
2) Skiing is easy and effortless whereas snowboarding is difficult and exhausted.
3) Skiing is old fashioned whereas snowboarding is so cool.

Do you agree or disagree?
I ll say snowboarding is basically freestyle while skiing is mostly all mountain. So this naturally uphold 1. That is you wont see that many old man(at lease not admitted) jumps about in other sports as well. 2 & 3 can not compare if 1 uphold.

Forget about my guess if you think 1 is not uphold. :)

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舊 2008-07-21, 07:09   #4
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statement 1:
Yes more youth are picking up snowboarding but since the twin tip ski been introduced there is an increase of people learn to ski because of the freestyle element of skiing added

statement 2:
Skiing is easy to pick up but takes a long time to be good at it
Snowboarding is hard to pick up but you progress faster

Although i got my ski certification after i got my snowboard certification i like skiing better because it's harder to be good at it and a trick on skis looks more impressive than on a snowboard me thinks

statement 3
refer to 1 and 2
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舊 2008-07-22, 21:37   #5
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Yes, these comments were told by some snowboarders in different occasions. I do not know whether these thinking represent the majority of snowboarders? Any snowboarders can provide some feedbacks?

By the way, I want to post this thread to www.hksnowboarder.com that is a quite popular website for HK snowboarders' discussions. However, this website seems out of service now.
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舊 2008-07-23, 14:36   #7
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Thanks, Joseph. I have posted the comments on HKSB forum for further discussion.
( http://www.hksnowboarder.com/viewthread.php?tid=1287&extra=page%3D1 )
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舊 2008-07-25, 11:35   #8
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Here is an article from snowboarding essentials. It is quite a good guide for the new comers.
http://www.snowboarding-essentials.c...ng/skiing.html

Skiing vs Snowboarding

For those of you heading up to the slopes for the first time, you may be trying to decide if you should try skiing vs snowboarding

first up. Or perhaps you're an accomplished skier and you've decided to give snowboarding a go.

In this article, we'll attempt to break down the differences between the two sports so that you can make an informed decision and also be aware of how fast you can realistically expect to progress with your current skiing skills.

Differences Between the Skiing vs Snowboarding

Skiing and snowboarding are alike in that they are both downhill and are both the source of countless hours of fun and exhilaration Some of the differences, however, that you'll find between them include:

* Snowboard riders constantly have to sit or exert energy to remain on edge while they are stationary. Unlike skiing, you will not have poles to help you remain upright and standing when you are not moving.
* Snowboarding is a lot easier on the knees compared to skiing. Knee injuries are not as common in snowboarding as they are in skiing. Snowboarding can, however, be a lot more brutal on your wrists so make sure you wear some wrist guards.
* You'll start to develop a deep hatred for flats when you're starting out with the snowboard. Again, you won't have your ski poles to bail you out.
* You will, however, begin to fall in love with deeper and softer snow. Snowboards work nicely in powder and crud while skis are better in bumps and ice.
* Getting up after a fall on a snowboard is a skill in itself but once mastered should prove to be easier and faster than having to put your stuff together again after falling on skis.

The Adrenaline Factor

If you're just looking for speed, more speed and nothing but speed, you may be surprised to know that given a skier and boarder of equal

Snowboarding
ability, skiing beats snowboarding virtually each time in terms of velocity.

Since this isn't a science website, we can't get into the physics involved which explain why skiing has an edge. Suffice to say that if you were to compare speed records for both skiers and boarders, the skiers will always be faster.

Skiing has also exploded onto the park scene with skiers having the ability to bigger and faster than any snowboarder. In the 2005 super pipe Winter X Games, Simon Dumont, a skier, went 22 feet out of the pipe while Shawn White, a snowboarder, only achieved 16 feet. (Thanks to Nathan Mattar for pointing this out).

From Skiing to Snowboarding

So you've been skiing for several years and you've decided that it's time for a change. Around the resorts you see people having the time of their lives on snowboards and your friends certainly think you should give it a go.

So, should you? Is it hard? Will all those years of skiing make it easier to learn? The answer is probably yes, to a certain extent. Apart from being familiar with the mountain resort environment and being comfortable with descending fast, as a skier you would also be familiar with the concepts of edging and carving.

As with other beginners, you'd be best served with investing in some lessons or at least doing some reading to get an idea of the basic maneuvers involved with snowboarding. Expect to end up with a sore backside and/or a mouth full of snow during the initial stages.

Many skiers do, in fact, report to have progressed much further in their first few days of snowboarding than they did with skiing within a similar time frame back in their early days. This, of course, varies between individuals with some claiming that there is absolutely no difference in the amount of time it takes to become proficient in one or the other.

You can, therefore, expect to reach the intermediate stage without too many hassles. Beyond that, however, you'll have to put in the miles just as you do, or have done, with skiing. Don't expect to be carving up those double black diamond runs like a pro in just a few days.

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舊 2008-07-30, 12:51   #9
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carver_hk-ski, the article provides some good references to the new comers. The following message is provided by a snowboarder in HKSB.

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首先,我係玩 SB 既,可能睇法會有所偏差!

1) Skiing is for old guy whereas snowboarding is for youth.
disagree
因為運動無話 for 甚麼人,其實運動呢樣野老幼都玩得! Winter sports 亦不例外。可能 SB 會較激,但其實睇你點玩0者!
咁事實上,SB 的確係有較多年青人玩既!

2) Skiing is easy and effortless whereas snowboarding is difficult and exhausted.
我完全 disagree

Skiing 要控制長長的 ski,顧得腳又顧唔掂手上兩枝 pole。對 ski boots又硬又重,成個機械人咁!
跌底左仲大鑊,對 ski 又長又扭住晒對腳,對 pole fing fing 去,都唔知點起翻身!
咁點會 easy effortless 呢??

Snowboard 只有一塊板,我點玩都係玩緊一塊板。斷估點都易過同時間要玩四樣野掛!
若果對 beginner 黎講,初學果時俾一樣野玩自己點都好過俾四樣野玩自己掛!

而且 SB boots 相比起 ski boots 輕鬆得多。講左咁多,都唔見得 SB difficult exhausted 喎!似乎岩岩相反至真喎!

另外若果講邊樣易學的話,我都係覺得 SB 易學喎!
假設俾兩個月大家去滑雪場玩,每日咁去玩,大家都係 beginner分開兩班人,一班只學 SB、另一班人只學 Ski
你覺得兩個月之後,邊班人會有滿足感及成功感?我肯定係學 SB 果班!
相信,首一兩日玩 ski 果班 A 字咁落唔會有問題而且玩兩日已經識得滑落山會好開心,而學 SB 果班可能仲係跌下跌下咁,未有甚麼突破!
但到兩個月後,學SB果班可能已經玩到好叻,練緊 tricks而學 ski 果班可能仍然練緊 turn
雖然我用左好多假設,未必岩晒,但就我所見,身邊好多朋友"收成"既比例都係咁!

3) Skiing is old fashioned whereas snowboarding is so cool.
我絕對 agree相信你問十個都會有九個係咁唸!
好簡單,兩個人,一個囉住兩支 Ski 企響雪場,一個囉住塊 SB 企響雪場。你覺得邊個望落去會型 d 仲未計一個著住 ski look,一個著住 snowboard look 喎!
甚至係,你入到滑雪場個 food court 入面。若果坐響度有一班係玩 Ski,另一班係玩 SB,望落去你會覺得坐響度邊玩人型 d

再者,今時今日,Snowboard 已經成為左 fashion 既一部份,有好多 SB 雜誌都同 fashion 有密切關係!

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舊 2008-07-30, 12:59   #10
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The following messages are also provided by 2 snowboarders in HKSB. Based on these messages, what do you think?

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我都係咁唸,由第一日玩到依家都無變。 SB 只有一個字,""

無論係一齊玩果時、人地玩果時、企響度果時、坐響度果時、成班 friends 囉住 set SB gear & 旅行袋一齊去機場果時、見到其他人囉住 set SB gear & 旅行袋響機場人來行去搵 counter check-in 果時、響 JR 站見到好多人都囉住 set gear 果時.... (全部都係講緊人地喎! )
SB 無論係個造型、d 衫、塊板、對 bindingsSB 個袋、accessories....(講緊物件喎! ) 都俾我一個印象,""即係 eleung 所講既 "cool"

就係呢個感覺,吸引左我去試玩,一玩就覺得原來真係好好玩!

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我就覺得在雪場上玩free-style ski的多數是後生仔,佢地做一些難度高的動作時,型到一點都不輸比snowboarders,這是真的非常難。在我來講,我覺得兩樣都咁型(在雪場中)snowboard當然易一點玩花式,因為一件過

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首先,我系 skier

1) Skiing is for old guy whereas snowboarding is for youth.

某程度系o岩o既,assume後生仔o既所謂玩板型系講緊玩 freestyle d 動作型,咁就好自然揀板啦,唔系話 ski 玩唔到 freestyle or ski 玩 freestyle 唔型,學你話齋凈滑都咁難,要玩 freestyle ski 就更加難,你想快d 有 d 野睇下就應該揀板,不過如果比你玩 ski 都玩到 freestyle 我就覺得比板更型。

另外聽聞玩板唔玩 freestyle 會好悶,所以玩板主要系玩 freestyle,assume 系真o既,咁又點會有老野玩呢,ski 唔玩 freestyle 都唔會悶,咁梗系立埋上年紀個 market 啦。

2) Skiing is easy and effortless whereas snowboarding is difficult and exhausted.

你已經答得好清楚好應棍。

3) Skiing is old fashioned whereas snowboarding is so cool.

個look 系隨你執o既姐,如果大家著埋同一套衫,我就唔覺有乜分別,不過我就預過一個實際問題,我想買件靚(型)o既 freestyle ski waer,第一香港冇,第二去到外國 d size 勁大,蝌蚪就冇問題,第三,亦系最重要o既問題,比你搵到都勁貴,我零願滑多次雪算喇。
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3) Skiing is old fashioned whereas snowboarding is so cool.
我絕對 agree相信你問十個都會有九個係咁唸!

唔好意思, 咁啱我係十個人中間唔係咁唸果個. 我完全唔同意.
我緊係唔係話我呢啲玩techincal ski 嘅老餅"酷"啦 !
我係話玩new school 同 extreme 果班 !
呢幾年玩ski嘅愈來愈後生, 著啲衫又同啲snowboarder冇分別.
啲火焰紋身圖案, 臉部穿孔剌環等等基本流行原素又有齊.
搞到我地啲老一輩skier鬼死咁冇引

其實你話snowboard潮過ski呢句話都錯唔哂. 只係講遲咗十年啫.
十幾年前好多後生仔女玩snowboard, 因為型像夠反叛. 好多滑雪場都唔淮玩, 或者諸多限制(其實反而promote咗snowboard嘅型像).
而家? 連啲阿叔, 阿嬸都話玩啦(連謝四哥咁老都話玩, 死未?) 重潮得去邊啊?

我記得細路仔果時流行喇叭褲, Sam Hui 啊, 溫拿啊都著. 型到爆. 後來無影無蹤. 只會係老夫子漫畫中間中出現下. 我八十年代中睇番轉頭, 唸極都唔明點解自己當時會覺得型. 點知轉下頭, 近年又好似咸魚番生. 潮流就係咁嫁啦, 五十年河東, 五十年河西.

日本仔跟歐美風, 香港人又跟日韓風. 所以慢咗幾拍都唔奇. 加上香港本身冇雪山文化, 所以out 咗都未知. 不過如果要為潮而玩一樣運動, 就要做多啲功課喇. 如果唔係, 跟著啲水尾, 咁就唔底啦.
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3) Skiing is old fashioned whereas snowboarding is so cool.
我絕對 agree相信你問十個都會有九個係咁唸!

唔好意思, 咁啱我係十個人中間唔係咁唸果個. 我完全唔同意.
我緊係唔係話我呢啲玩techincal ski 嘅老餅"酷"啦 !
我係話玩new school 同 extreme 果班 !
呢幾年玩ski嘅愈來愈後生, 著啲衫又同啲snowboarder冇分別.
啲火焰紋身圖案, 臉部穿孔剌環等等基本流行原素又有齊.
搞到我地啲老一輩skier鬼死咁冇引
你問十一個, 都會有九個係咁唸, 我係十一個人中間唔係咁唸果個 (together with Freeskier).
Actually, for the last few years, the trend in France and Switzerland is that there are more young people learning to ski more than to snowboard.
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On and on I hear the following comments.

1) Skiing is for old guy whereas snowboarding is for youth.
2) Skiing is easy and effortless whereas snowboarding is difficult and exhausted.
3) Skiing is old fashioned whereas snowboarding is so cool.

Do you agree or disagree?
I am a skier but I learn snowboard for a short period. For your questions, please see my comments belows:

1) Skiing is for old guy whereas snowboarding is for youth.
Skiing is for both but more youth like snowboarding.

2) Skiing is easy and effortless whereas snowboarding is difficult and exhausted.
It depends on your level of skill:
start to learn: both are difficult and exhausted, but snowboarding is more exhausted
beginner level: skiing is more difficult and exhanusted
intermediate level: both are easy and effortless but skiers are more easy to get tired
advanced level: both are excellent

However, snowboarding is more volunerable to accidents. Therefore, full protection gear is necessary.

3) Skiing is old fashioned whereas snowboarding is so cool.

Both can be cool and fold fashioned depending on how much you can afford.:D
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Actually, for the last few years, the trend in France and Switzerland is that there are more young people learning to ski more than to snowboard.
Thanks for the statistics. I have no personal opinion. But provided snowboard essential is telling the truth then it is not surprising. No young people wants to travel slower and jumps lower. I shall extract from snowboard essential below:

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skiing beats snowboarding virtually each time in terms of velocity.
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In the 2005 super pipe Winter X Games, Simon Dumont, a skier, went 22 feet out of the pipe while Shawn White, a snowboarder, only achieved 16 feet.
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