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舊 2010-03-24, 02:29   #1
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CSIA skiing technique

Just want to give some of the skiing technique that CSIA promotes.

The 5 skills:
Stances and Balances
Pivoting
Edging
Pressure Control
Timing and Co-ordination

Stance: an athletic stance , all lower joints slightly bent, stomach inhands out at the front like driving a bus.
Balance: Try to balance in the middle of the skis, feel almost equal pressure at the shin and the calf.

I Joined Ryan’s tour to Hakuba and a lot of skiers in the same tour standing very straight and hands hanging down just like standing when they ski.

It’s very comfortable to ski like that on easy runs and perfect condition but will take a lot of effort to ski like that when condition get tough.

There are quite a lot of CSIA guys in this forum, let other explain the other 4 tech.

此篇文章於 2010-03-24 02:59 被 Mckay 編輯。.
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舊 2010-03-24, 06:49   #2
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Just want to give some of the skiing technique that CSIA promotes.

The 5 skills:
Stances and Balances
Pivoting
Edging
Pressure Control
Timing and Co-ordination

Stance: an athletic stance , all lower joints slightly bent, stomach inhands out at the front like driving a bus.
Balance: Try to balance in the middle of the skis, feel almost equal pressure at the shin and the calf.

I Joined Ryan’s tour to Hakuba and a lot of skiers in the same tour standing very straight and hands hanging down just like standing when they ski.

It’s very comfortable to ski like that on easy runs and perfect condition but will take a lot of effort to ski like that when condition get tough.

There are quite a lot of CSIA guys in this forum, let other explain the other 4 tech.
Pivoting: Direction turning effort is from the lower body(thigh bone,knee,feet) while the upper body remain quiet (not freeze). Some skier turning with their shoulder and swing their hands that make them off balance.
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舊 2010-03-24, 08:26   #3
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Hi GT cat. :) Let me try on edging then.

Edging: Edging is to create an angle between the ski and the snow by using a blend of inclination and angulation.

In a modern shape ski, when it is tilted on to its edge, only the sides near the tip and the tail touch the snow. Then, as the skier gently applies pressure, the ski bends easily into a curved shape. At the same time, the curved edge cuts into the snow, the ski will follow this arc and then turn the skier.
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舊 2010-03-24, 10:58   #4
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Thanks for your sharing!

I am not a CSIA guy but like to watch different instructional DVDs. Here is a link if one wants to get more information about CSIA skiing technique. Enjoy! :)

http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/ren...htm?aheading=0
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舊 2010-03-24, 11:18   #5
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Thanks for your sharing!

I am not a CSIA guy but like to watch different instructional DVDs. Here is a link if one wants to get more information about CSIA skiing technique. Enjoy! :)

http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/ren...htm?aheading=0
The guys in the video are the top CSIA level 4. Russ Wood is the former CSIA Demo team and is waiting to be the coming demo team member after the final stage on April. Bart is a very strong short turn and bumps skier and I was in his training group few time. He made one of the guy in the group broke his leg because Bart wanted us to ski faster. I was in Wade Sutton's PDP once but his skiing is not too strong for me although he is very smooth.

Let me finish with the topic,

Pressure control.

As speed becomes faster, pressure created applying underneath our foot become an issue that we need to due with and also increasing and decreasing edge also affect pressure a lot . We need to use our joints as the suspension system to regulate it to make us have a smooth ride.

May be " Skier "can talk about the last one.
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舊 2010-03-24, 11:50   #6
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The guys in the video are the top CSIA level 4. Russ Wood is the former CSIA Demo team and is waiting to be the coming demo team member after the final stage on April. Bart is a very strong short turn and bumps skier and I was in his training group few time. He made one of the guy in the group broke his leg because Bart wanted us to ski faster. I was in Wade Sutton's PDP once but his skiing is not too strong for me although he is very smooth.

Let me finish with the topic,

Pressure control.

As speed becomes faster, pressure created applying underneath our foot become an issue that we need to due with and also increasing and decreasing edge also affect pressure a lot . We need to use our joints as the suspension system to regulate it to make us have a smooth ride.

May be " Skier "can talk about the last one.
Good idea, leave the most difficult one to "skier".
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舊 2010-03-24, 14:09   #7
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[quote=Mckay;49983]I Joined Ryan’s tour to Hakuba and a lot of skiers in the same tour standing very straight and hands hanging down just like standing when they ski.[/font]

For the standing straight part, one of the reasons is that the skier may know he needs to bent and he did try and did think he is benting but in fact he is not. This may be because a beginner or tourist skier may not have the physical strength to press down on the stiff ski boots all the time. This happened to me untill I saw my owm video. Since then I told myself to exaggerate the benting 10 times and the result is good.

One can ask his friend to take a photo from the side when he is in a skiing stance. The shoulder, knee cap and toes should be in a straight line.
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舊 2010-03-24, 21:39   #8
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Good idea, leave the most difficult one to "skier".

I just want to know who is 'GT cat' and 'GT tiger'.

GT tiger, your 'photo' is so pretty, but I bet that you are a guy and not a girl :)
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舊 2010-03-24, 21:41   #9
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I just want to know is who is GT cat and GT tiger.

GT tiger, are you that pretty? I bet you are a guy and not a girl :)
Tiger and cat are same family, they plough on "fish". :D
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...... This may be because a beginner or tourist skier may not have the physical strength to press down on the stiff ski boots all the time. This happened to me untill I saw my owm video. Since then I told myself to exaggerate the benting 10 times and the result is good.

I like to discuss this issue of press down on the stiff ski boots.

Actually, as I understand it, one should not try to press on the ski boots to bend the ankle. In very cold temperature, it is difficult, not necessary, and it will make the skis turn too quick when not intended.

It is the posture of the whole body in relation to the skis that is important. When one finishes a turn, the body is inevitably 'back' in relation to the skis. One need to slide both skis back so that one's CM is again ahead of the ski at the beginning of the next turn.

In both PMTS and Aspen Method DVD's, both HH and JC spend time on this issue and show how to slide both skis back to accomplish being 'forward'
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舊 2010-03-25, 00:43   #11
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I like to discuss this issue of press down on the stiff ski boots.

Actually, as I understand it, one should not try to press on the ski boots to bend the ankle. In very cold temperature, it is difficult, not necessary, and it will make the skis turn too quick when not intended.
Skier, i agree with you one should not prees down on the stiff ski boots as a all mountain skier. I think only racer does it. pressing down the ski boot too much makes a person too far forward and hard too use the joints to act as the suspension system. Once crossing the fall line a big more, the tail of the skis will wash out causing balance problem.

Skier, please explain the last technique of CSIA
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舊 2010-03-25, 08:44   #12
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Skier, please explain the last technique of CSIA
Is that what they (CSIA) now summarized to the 5 skills? Never heard of that summation more than 20 years ago when I took the L2 :)

For one thing, timing and co-ordination is difficult to teach in any sport. some people just cannot get good co-ordination (and timing)

Okay, let me try:

Every movement (all sports) needs timing and co-ordination. if one gets the timing and co-ordination wrong, one cannot execute what one wants to do. Simple example: in ping-pong, when you see the ball coming, you start to swing your bat trying to return the ball. If your timing and cordination is off, you will miss or miss hit the ball.

For example, pole planting in skiing:

One has to coordinate the swing of the basket while the skis are turning (many are late in swinging the basket, especially in moguls), and need to time to plant at the right moment:

One has to time the planting of the pole at the finish of the turn and then up-unweight (CSIA way) before the next turn - I see a lot of beginners plant the pole at the same time they turn, as if rowing a boat. :)

Now I let Mckay give us the official 'defination' :D :p
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舊 2010-03-25, 09:26   #13
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Is that what they (CSIA) now summarized to the 5 skills? Never heard of that summation more than 20 years ago when I took the L2 :)

For one thing, timing and co-ordination is difficult to teach in any sport. some people just cannot get good co-ordination (and timing)

Okay, let me try:

Every movement (all sports) needs timing and co-ordination. if one gets the timing and co-ordination wrong, one cannot execute what one wants to do. Simple example: in ping-pong, when you see the ball coming, you start to swing your bat trying to return the ball. If your timing and cordination is off, you will miss or miss hit the ball.

For example, pole planting in skiing:

One has to coordinate the swing of the basket while the skis are turning (many are late in swinging the basket, especially in moguls), and need to time to plant at the right moment:

One has to time the planting of the pole at the finish of the turn and then up-unweight (CSIA way) before the next turn - I see a lot of beginners plant the pole at the same time they turn, as if rowing a boat. :)

Now I let Mckay give us the official 'defination' :D :p
Skier,
Good Job!

For official defination, you better ask Norman Kreutz ( the former CSIA Western Director ) I think he got the best timing and coordiantion in CSIA, he can ski the same style in almost all condition.



I try to have a private lesson from him last season On Silver Star Mountain but he refused saying he need to do the instructor training.
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舊 2010-03-25, 09:59   #14
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Great dynamic skiing by Norman Kreutz.

One thing I always wanted to comment on. And that is most instructors ask their students to have feet/legs wider apart. One reason may be so that the students have better balance just standing there or going straight. But what this does is that the students may lean to the uphill ski while turning.

As Freeskier always tell his students that we don't ski like racers (with skis way outside the body) and it is better for us to have skis closer together even with the kness touching each other.

This close stance (but each leg/foot/ski needs independent action) will also aid in mogul and powder skiing.

Look at how close together are Norman Kreutz's knees -- elegant skiing.
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舊 2010-03-25, 13:57   #15
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Great dynamic skiing by Norman Kreutz.

One thing I always wanted to comment on. And that is most instructors ask their students to have feet/legs wider apart. One reason may be so that the students have better balance just standing there or going straight. But what this does is that the students may lean to the uphill ski while turning.

As Freeskier always tell his students that we don't ski like racers (with skis way outside the body) and it is better for us to have skis closer together even with the kness touching each other.

This close stance (but each leg/foot/ski needs independent action) will also aid in mogul and powder skiing.

Look at how close together are Norman Kreutz's knees -- elegant skiing.
I think a wider stance creating a bigger plattform for better base of support when you going fast and allow you more angulation.
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