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舊 2011-04-25, 12:06   #31
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Freeskier, again, excellent explanation/information. Thanks for taking the time to 'educate' us, really
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舊 2011-04-25, 12:27   #32
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Freeskier, very well explained.

It is the Japanese culture that being the best and beat everyone is very important. Whereas, most French and the Swiss treat skiing with a more relax and leisurely attitude.

When I was skiing at Squaw earlier this year, I found out that the American have ski racing schools all over the country where kids of very young age do nothing but studying and ski training everyday. Many of their Olmypics skiers are graduates of this type of ski schools.

Full commitment is one of the main ingredients of success.
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舊 2011-04-25, 12:51   #33
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Freeskier, very well explained.

It is the Japanese culture that being the best and beat everyone is very important. Whereas, most French and the Swiss treat skiing with a more relax and leisurely attitude.

When I was skiing at Squaw earlier this year, I found out that the American have ski racing schools all over the country where kids of very young age do nothing but studying and ski training everyday. Many of their Olmypics skiers are graduates of this type of ski schools.

Full commitment is one of the main ingredients of success.
Studying and race training everyday? May be there is, but I have not heard of them.

Depending on certain sector of the population in each country. North America is affluent, so, perhaps, a bigger percentage of the skiing population can afford to have their kids trained for racing 'daily'.

The recreational skiing sector of the Swiss and French may be treating skiing with a more relax and leisurely attitude, but the National racing sector is certainly treating it very seriously with top rankings in the world. With the Austrians, these are 'skiing nations' and ther pride is very important to them.

The short comings of the Japanese is in their physique. They can do well in Slalom, but difficult to excel in the scene of GS, SG and downhill.

Chinese is smart to concentrate only on events like aerials.
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舊 2011-04-25, 12:53   #34
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Freeskier, very well explained.

It is the Japanese culture that being the best and beat everyone is very important. Whereas, most French and the Swiss treat skiing with a more relax and leisurely attitude.

When I was skiing at Squaw earlier this year, I found out that the American have ski racing schools all over the country where kids of very young age do nothing but studying and ski training everyday. Many of their Olmypics skiers are graduates of this type of ski schools.

Full commitment is one of the main ingredients of success.
When I was in Whistler, there was a mother(non-skier) who was there with her 2 sons (7 and 9 years old) skiing everyday for a couple of season. They actually quit the school for this. They were in the freestyles skiing , doing WC moguls and park and pipe stuff. Their parents explained that they want to train their kids to be the best freestyle skiers in Korea. The father stay in Korea to work and the salary all goes to supporting this dream.

Koreans have very strong motives to beat the Japanese. They are also tougher and their body are more strongly built, they also have to do military service. While the Japanese are getting mentally weaker with declining ski population. The outcome is foreseeable.
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舊 2011-04-25, 13:02   #35
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Studying and race training everyday? May be there is, but I have not heard of them.

Depending on certain sector of the population in each country. North America is affluent, so, perhaps, a bigger percentage of the skiing population can afford to have their kids trained for racing 'daily'.

The recreational skiing sector of the Swiss and French may be treating skiing with a more relax and leisurely attitude, but the National racing sector is certainly treating it very seriously with top rankings in the world. With the Austrians, these are 'skiing nations' and ther pride is very important to them.

The short comings of the Japanese is in their physique. They can do well in Slalom, but difficult to excel in the scene of GS, SG and downhill.

Chinese is smart to concentrate only on events like aerials.
China should focus on freestyle instead of aerials. No one cares about aerials, while there is a big market for freestyle skiing and snowboarding worldwidely. Racing is hopeless, may as well forget that though.
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舊 2011-04-25, 13:03   #36
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China should focus on freestyle instead of aerials. No one cares about aerials, while there is a big market for freestyle skiing and snowboarding worldwidely. Racing is hopeless, may as well forget that though.
I meant to mention freestyle also.
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舊 2012-01-08, 04:18   #37
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1. This is rotation, easiest

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Notice the interesting upper body movement (0.46 to 0.51) to achieve easy carving of the skis.

This is first seen in the Japanese presentation at the 2003 Interski. At that time the Canadian commentator (Steve Smart) said that since Japan has gone through a real recession so they have been desperately trying ways to increase the number of people skiing in their country...

In general, such upper body movement is not good. But, I guess, by rotating the shoulder it is easier to achieve and feel the carving turns.

2. This is a practice for counter (rotation)

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This video may be better
3. What you are referring to is commonly called ski in and out of counter. This actually is the hardest to perform.

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Gents, are you getting a bit too clinical and critical?
If I can ski like any of the skiers in the Interski team, I will be over the moon and don't mind a bit of shoulder rotation.
Similar as "Snowrider", I was told to have a quiet upper body and body always face down the fall-line.
Despite the terminology difference, I mostly agree with freeskier. IMHO, counter (rotation) is very important skill. It makes turn much much faster, especially on difficult terrain. It is hard to do because it requires the hip to be free but most skiers' hip are locked.

Regarding edging, instead of talking, try this at home, use rotate to edge and use counter-rotate to edge, what is the difference?

此篇文章於 2012-01-10 19:26 被 Mike 編輯。.
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舊 2012-01-09, 14:28   #38
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Look at the first still image of the turn phase. The skier's upper body "anitcipate" the body position of the what is shown in the first video in this thread



I think there is misunderstanding on how Korean skiers turn their skis. It is not all muscle. It is the same rotational force freeskier is referring to. In fact it can be almost effortless, relatively speaking.
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