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舊 2010-03-13, 11:16   #16
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This is probably the more knee friendly way? SVMM mogul skiing

Did you see the speed they come down and the quick turning. It's clsoer to free style moguls to me.
It's hard to be a knee friendly way. It's my opinion only.
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舊 2010-03-13, 11:26   #17
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I m seeing that there are less landing compare with the PSIA style. Is it possible that the speed is due to the steepness of the slope or its a style difference? :)

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舊 2010-03-13, 13:00   #18
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I think this is the more knee friendly way of skiing moguls - skiing the bank line with round shape turns. It is not easy though.
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舊 2010-03-13, 15:15   #19
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I think this is the more knee friendly way of skiing moguls - skiing the bank line with round shape turns. It is not easy though.
When I see these kinds of bumps, I'd probably freeze up.

I went to Hakuba after visiting you, There is no way i can ski the bumps there. When I went back to Whistler, the bumps is so much easier to ski on.
The coming Sunday should be a good day for us since there is more than 53cm of powder on thursday and friday. I got a bit more confidence on powder after visiting you.

I'll try to got a video of my slowing skiing on bumps.

Have a look of my slow short turns on Hakuba and my new ski suit.

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舊 2010-03-13, 15:17   #20
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I m seeing that there are less landing compare with the PSIA style. Is it possible that the speed is due to the steepness of the slope or its a style difference? :)
The guy is a CSIA Level 4 instructor. Not PSIA
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舊 2010-03-14, 22:43   #21
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thanks for correction!

btw, your turns r pretty short. :)

later,

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舊 2010-03-14, 23:04   #22
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freeskier - I have no doubt those Japanese mogul skiing is some briliant mogul skiing and knee friendly. Can you teach us how to do that? I, as a mere mortal, would be happy to learn if that is achievable practicing it a few days a year in my life. :)

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舊 2010-03-15, 00:24   #23
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I think this is the more knee friendly way of skiing moguls - skiing the bank line with round shape turns. It is not easy though.
Thanks for sharing!

In the video actually 2 ways of skiing moguls are compared:

1) skiing the bank line (重心移動:大)

2) skiing the ずらす line (重心移動:小)

The shortcomings of skiing ずらす line are also explained.:)
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舊 2010-03-15, 12:11   #24
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This is an excellent video, Freeskier.

I don't know Japanese, however, I don't think it is talking about the "shortcoming" of ずらす line but the opposite. The speed control is so much improved.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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舊 2010-03-15, 13:49   #25
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this video show you how to play.
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舊 2010-03-16, 00:09   #26
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Thanks for sharing! Actually the video at post #25 are taken from the book:

DVDでうまくなる!丸山貴雄のスキー中上級レッスン 全斜面完全攻略!!

More detailed explanations are provided in the book.:)
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舊 2010-03-16, 02:32   #27
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this video show you how to play.

His skiing is so strong that is not for recreatation skier. Most of the Japanese demonstrator has a very strong racing background. It's very exciting to see their skiing but try to ski their way is almost impossible.

To ski the bank of the moguls got less impact to the knees is true but to handle the speed and the timing so precisely as what he is doing is also impossible for recreation skier.

I am also a weekend skier in Vancouver. As I asked a Japanese CSIA level 4 how to handle those deep trough bumps in Japan. He told me just try to avoid skiing them.

The CSIA way is more for recreation skier and the Canadian demonstrator Russ Wood's skiing can't really compare to 丸山貴雄

http://www.snowprobc.com/videos/
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舊 2010-03-16, 10:22   #28
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I glad that someone is now looking at the right direction. For the recreational skier or weekend skiers knee friendly is probably more important rather then looking at how to ski like a champion or carving through moguls like a hero. besides, whether its achievable is probably another important conideration. :)

This is PMTS bump skiing, notice that there are minimal absorptions required by the knee and it is achievable in anyone's life time. :)


later,

carver

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舊 2010-03-16, 11:18   #29
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I think nomatter what system of ski istruction. The key thing for skiing bumps is flexion and extension. When I watch people skiing on the slope, less than 10% is able to flex and extend their joints when skiing on the groom. That's why most people find bump skiing so difficult and try to aviod them because they don't know how to keep the pressure smoothly underneath them.
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舊 2010-03-16, 11:26   #30
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I think nomatter what system of ski istruction. The key thing for skiing bumps is flexion and extension.
exactly! I was told flexion and extension is the key to dynamic skiing. However the point I like to stress is that better technique probably required less or even no knee drive or knee absorption(not knee flexion, different thing). The fact is that there are some soft tissues between the tibia and femur, whenever someone land or twist his femur against tibia while loaded there are some grinding off happening that will grind off a little bit of soft tissue on every turn or every landing. If that happen long enough the soft tissues will be worn out before we don't need walking. And there are no signs of wearing before too late. :)

over my last trip I played mogul for 2 days and decided its not my cup of tea for this single reason. After all able to through moguls is sufficient to enjoy all mountain skiing for me. Of course this is very personal favour.

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