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舊 2010-03-18, 13:19   #61
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I will feel so guilty if ask Mr. Harb to ski in that situation because his age is over 60. I am sure you must understand how sad I am if, just in case, he suffers injury in the video taking. Even Kawasaki, knee hurt is inevitably in that kind of skiing as per freeskier said. So, I cannot accept your request.
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舊 2010-03-18, 14:01   #62
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If he(Kawasaki) ski slower, I think he can absorb 100%.
If we are talking about recreational speed I believe its the truth. Likewise HH should be able to do that harmless given his age. Besides there are other advance pmts skiers or even black level pmts instructors around. I believe they would be happy to demonstrate if you ask. Its a prove of their system. Anyhow you have a live example of an intermediate skier did that already, despite the fact that its ugly. Its friendly to his knees. :)

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舊 2010-03-18, 14:55   #63
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Sure, Mr. Harb should be able to control the speed. I was told he declared that carving should be preformed in all situations (including bumps) in his Book 2. Also, he is a super skier so he may not allow himself to ski slower. So, it is my concerns.

Maybe I do not understand PMTS. So far, Mr. Harb is the only demonstrator in PMTS official video. Wish Mr. Harb would lead his instructors to perform the PMTS technique in the coming DVD.

I have no doubt the PMTS technique because I was told Mr. Harb is to design PMTS based on the current techniques which come from different sources.

To compare with PMTS and John Clendenin's Aspen Method (AP), I would say AP is much friendly to my knees based on my limited knowledge of skiing.
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舊 2010-03-18, 14:57   #64
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I bet when Mr. Harb said carving in that context he might be referring to brushed carve, which could get as slow as you ever wanted. :)

I ll be happy to see how AP or his followers ski on that big holes. Any vid?

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舊 2010-03-18, 16:51   #65
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I bet when Mr. Harb said carving in that context he might be referring to brushed carve, which could get as slow as you ever wanted. :)

I ll be happy to see how AP or his followers ski on that big holes. Any vid?

By the way, remember that John Clendenin was a Black level PMTS member.

His Aspen Method (AM) was 'developed' because of the need for recreational skier to tackle the moguls with speed control. In older videos one can see skiers use the 'tail slide' to control the speed and that is somewhat similar to the AM. BUT since the coming of the shaped ski, carving is the 'in' thing, and any tail slide becomes a no-no, and even 'wrong' by those who advocate to carving.
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舊 2010-03-18, 17:04   #66
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yes, so I have no doubt he can ski the PMTS way or a modified PMTS way according to his own liking. Please don't take it a challenge to his method I never challenge any professional, I merely like to see how his method works on those big holes. It would be easy to see if there are any landing and hit on vids then words. Like shopping. :)

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舊 2010-03-18, 17:22   #67
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yes, so I have no doubt he can ski the PMTS way or a modified PMTS way according to his own liking. Please don't take it a challenge to his method I never challenge any professional, I merely like to see how his method works on those big holes. It would be easy to see if there are any landing and hit on vids then words. Like shopping. :)
Please really look into his Aspen Method and try to understand it first.
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舊 2010-03-18, 17:45   #68
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I bet when Mr. Harb said carving in that context he might be referring to brushed carve, which could get as slow as you ever wanted. :)

I ll be happy to see how AP or his followers ski on that big holes. Any vid?
Thanks for your interpretation. That's why I am a non-PMTS skier :-) However, I do not have any idea about this term, brushed carve, is discussed in the Book 2. Maybe you give me a hint so that I can review the relevant chapter for further discussion :-)

I have bought the John Clendenin's instructional DVD but cannot upload it due to the copyright issue. Anyway, I am very happy to share the DVD to you. Just send PM to me if you are interested :-)
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舊 2010-03-18, 20:31   #69
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I have bought the John Clendenin's instructional DVD but cannot upload it due to the copyright issue. Anyway, I am very happy to share the DVD to you. Just send PM to me if you are interested :-)
Clips of John Clendenhin's Aspen Method are previously posted inthe following thread:
http://www.hkssa.net/showthread.php?t=23188
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舊 2010-03-18, 20:43   #70
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thanks eleung and skier for the recommendation to learn the Aspen method. Just because its targeted to mogul I guess I ll skip it. I seldom ski mogul over my previous trips and its not likely I ll do that in the future. I ll just use what I already own and let my technique improve based on improvement from basic skiing. :)

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舊 2010-03-19, 00:44   #71
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Freeskier,

Just want to be sure before I make any comment.

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Is the above video shoot on a mogul field or just some bumpy slope. I dosn't look like the big holes moguls.
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舊 2010-03-19, 00:54   #72
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oh! that surprised me again. My friend did not lie to me (I can't imagine if he did) told me its a zipper line down the super course and the mogul in the middle section of the big holes below the hirafu gondola. I m sure freeskier is able to identify the slopes with the trees and terrain. one friend of mine was able to tell where it was shoot just by looking at the surrounding. it might looks like just some kind of short turns done on bumpy slope because there were not much absorptions there. there were just turning. :)

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舊 2010-03-19, 07:34   #73
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Is the above video shoot on a mogul field or just some bumpy slope. I dosn't look like the big holes moguls.

The "moguls" might not be so visible because of the camera or the light effects at the time of shooting
Might be it is because of my poor observation, I do not see any moguls neither, might be just a little bit bumpy that's all. :p
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舊 2010-03-19, 08:26   #74
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I ll try to slowmo the video and see if u still think its just being bumpy. Afterall, hope it serve the purpose of showing pmts movements here as eleung asked. But the skiing is just too bad, kind of close to struggling, i myself can not see any distinct pmts movement neither. oh! there is a wedge. one thing maybe worth mentioning. he didnt ski the very bottom of the holes, maybe about 1/3 height by choice. There's no need to get to the bottom anyway:)

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此篇文章於 2010-03-19 09:30 被 carver_hk-ski 編輯。.
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舊 2010-03-19, 10:39   #75
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I ll try to slowmo the video and see if u still think its just being bumpy. Afterall, hope it serve the purpose of showing pmts movements here as eleung asked. But the skiing is just too bad, kind of close to struggling, i myself can not see any distinct pmts movement neither. oh! there is a wedge. one thing maybe worth mentioning. he didnt ski the very bottom of the holes, maybe about 1/3 height by choice. There's no need to get to the bottom anyway:)
PMTS skiing using flexing and tipping to ski bumps
I don't see any of this in your friend's skiing.
His skiing just looks ugly "as you said."
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