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舊 2011-05-30, 10:54   #16
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PSIA L2 also requires skiing on blue mogul trails.
PSIA L3 also requires skiing on black mogul trails.
I did not realise they have classified mogul runs
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舊 2011-06-01, 08:48   #17
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My understanding is that PSIA is a loose association of autonomous regional divisions connected only loosely through the National organization. Individual divisions offer certification and accreditation programs across a diverse spectrum of disciplines and specialties. For example some divisions, such as the Rocky Mountain Division, include basic freestyle elements in their Alpine exams, but others do not.

Currently, there are lots of discussions and arguments about setting up a PSIA Level 4.
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舊 2011-07-24, 16:57   #18
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I came across a discussion in another forum recently, a CSIA Level 3 instructor was asking if he wants to transfer over to BASI with the aim to furthering his qualifications, then at which level would he enter in the BASI system.

It was opined that CSIA level 3 technical skiing would be similar to BASI level 3, however the two system would not match up without Mountain Safety Course and formal second discipline as required by BASI. So, BASI Level 2 is more likely.
CSIA has the advantage and disadvantage that it doesn't have to jump through the ISIA hoops, whereas BASI has to comply with all ISIA requirements.

The Mountain Safety Course includes an introduction to group leadership and management while off-piste, navigation, mountain weather, avalanche safety including avi searching, touring, etc. It is also an introduction for the work that you will develop if you go on to do the Euro Mountain Safety course, which is the highest level mountain safety qualification that is required of instructors to reach ISTD.

Ability to ski off-piste is assessed as part of the Technical course of BASI. But it is also part of the assessment on the Mountain Safety Course. Your skiing ability is on the assessment sheet that is completed through the course. No ski = No pass. It's right that it should be because it doesn't matter what other skills you have technically/theoretically, if you can't actually ski (off-piste) what's the point in the other skills. BASI anticipates their instructors will be teaching in Europe where off-piste is not controlled or patrolled so considers Mountain Safety as an essential element, CSIA knows that their instructors cannot teach out of bounds so doesn't need it.
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舊 2011-07-24, 19:22   #19
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ISIA - International Ski Instructors' Association

Minimum standard of the ski instructors' training for membership of ISIA ( http://www.isiaski.org/en/index.html )

1. Preamble
These guidelines count as the minimum standard for the training of ski instructors within the memberassociations of the ISIA
A national ski instructor association can be a member of the ISIA if it fulfils this minimum standard in its training of the ski instructors
The ISIA standard does not claim automatically the mutual recognition of the respective national professional training
The ISIA standard involves for the ski instructor also a personal professional liability insurance

The candidates who have completed the training for the ski instructors and who have passed successfully the required final examines corresponding to the ISIA standard and who can work in their home country as professional ski instructors with commercial interests have the right to get the ISIA stamp (badge)

2. Aims of the training
The professional training must enable the candidates to give commercial ski lessons under the consideration of the following contents:

2.1. TECHNIQUE
They must to be able to teach all guest categories (children-seniors) in group or private lessons. They must be able to teach the respective disciplines (downhill, snowboard, cross-country etc) within generally recognised security standards and technical-methodical-didactical principles.

2.2. ALPINE DANGERS
The ski instructors must be able to judge correctly the hazards of the winter and mountains (weather/avalanches and the respective terrain), to behave in the right way and to take immediately measures if accidents occur.

2.3. MARKETING
The ski instructors should know the principles of marketing, especially those of the winter tourism, and should be able to place the activities of ski teaching and ski schools within the chain of services of the tourist industry and to understand their connections.

2.4. LANGUAGES
The ski instructor should be able to teach in at least a second language beside his mother tongue.

2.5. LAWS AND REGULATIONS
The ski instructor must know the laws and regulations of the country where he teaches and has to respect the respective standard of his social standing.

3. Minimum requirements and exames
The candidates who take the training for ski instructors have to be already very good skiers and have to master the respective equipment in conditions of native and prepared skiing slopes. The established minimum requirements shall be tested in every discipline.

3.1. TECHNIQUE-PRACTICAL EXAMS
The candidate must master, show and teach the following exercises.
Elements of the examinations: downhill/cross country/snowboard
3.1.1. Walking exercises
3.1.2. Basic swings
3.1.3. Swings Parallel
3.1.4. Racing techniques
3.1.5. Skifullness
3.1.6. Related snow-sport equipment's

3.2. METHODS/DIDACTICS
Teaching of at least two lessons, of which one in foreign language. Duration of the exam approximately 30 minutes of teaching in presence of clients.

Elements of the exam
3.2.1. Personality (appearance, leading, organisation)
3.2.2. Technical ability (technical knowledge and explication of a lesson)
3.2.3. Teaching skills (subjects, use of learning aids)
3.2.4. Global impression (teaching atmosphere, achievements, foreign language)
3.2.5. Eventually practical training in a recognised institution

3.3 THEORETICAL EXAM
3.3.1. Theoretical exam of technique/methodology
Orally and/or written the candidate must have the opportunity to demonstrate his knowledge in the following subjects.

Elements of exam
3.3.1.1. technique
3.3.1.2. biomechanics
3.3.1.3. motion science
3.3.1.4. material and equipment
3.3.1.5. methodology and didactic
3.3.1.6. security

3.3.2. General training
The exam of general knowledge can be given orally and/or written. The following areas have to be considered:

Elements of exam
3.3.2.1. marketing (to place ski teaching within tourist attractions)
3.3.2.2. communication (group, press, reports of accidents)
3.3.2.3. local history (culture, history, geography)
3.3.2.4. nature/environment (flora/fauna, ecology)
3.3.2.5. history of skiing
3.3.2.6. national and international laws and organisations concerning ski teaching
3.3.2.7. material knowledge (components of the ski, bindings, tips etc)
3.3.2.8. nutrition
3.3.2.9. prevention of accidents

3.4. VARIATIONS AND AVALANCHES
The ski instructor must be able to guide safely and assist guests on variants (open down hill out of pist). He should be able to judge and decide in dangerous situations such as avalanches and bad weather conditions (prevention of avalanches, interpretation of their preview). In case of accidents he should be able to install immediate measures, to co-ordinate rescue activities and first aide.

Elements of exam
3.4.1. judgement of the danger of avalanches (formula 3*3), reduction methods
3.4.2. guiding a group outside the pist
3.4.3. use of search devices for avalanches
3.4.4. orientation (reading of maps, compass, altimeter)
3.4.5. avalanche accident (initiate the rescue, alarm and first aide)

4. Length of training
Since a high standard is required from the candidate, 450 hours of training should be enough to meet the minimum standard of ISIA requirements. These should be divided as following:
2/3 practical training on snow
1/3 theory

5. Controls
The ISIA keeps the right to visit training institutions of member associations, to control and verify if the minimum standards are met and if training courses are implemented.
ISIA should have the opportunity during membership renewal to visit for at least three years training courses before requests for membership will be handled. During this period the applicants will have within ISIA the status of an observer.

6. Further training
To keep their status and to be able to receive further their ISIA stamps, the ski instructors have to take part in the training courses organised by their national associations. The attendance to these courses has to registered in the identity card of the ski instructor by the respective association.
The training course is lasting: for one day every year, for two days every second year, etc.
Who does not attend the training course gets the inactive state as a professional ski instructor and has no right to get the ISIA stamp.
To be again an active professional the ski instructor has to attend the training.

7. Legitimisation
Ski instructors who have successfully finished their respective national training and exams required as the minimum standard, receive the ISIA badge and an identity card by their respective member associations where the achieved ISIA standard is certified and the ISIA stamp registered.
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舊 2011-07-24, 22:13   #20
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CSIA L3 qualifies for ISIA membership.
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舊 2011-07-25, 07:08   #21
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CSIA L3 qualifies for ISIA membership.
Sure, if one complies with all the ISIA requirements.
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Sure, if one complies with all the ISIA requirements.
I mean automatic, but not CSIA L2
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舊 2011-07-25, 19:17   #23
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There are 38 countries which are member of the ISIA, they are:
Andorra; Argentina; Australia; Austria; Belgium; Bulgaria; Canada; Chile; Croatia; Czech; Denmark; Britain; Finland; France; Germany; Greece; Hungary; Ireland; Israel; Italy; Japan; Liechtenstein; Montenegro; Netherlands; New Zealand; Norway; Poland; Romania; Russia; San Marino; Serbia; Sweden; Switzerland; Slovakia; Spain; Turkey & USA.

The ISIA website stated:
WORLDWIDE, 38 STATES ARE MEMBERS OF ISIA. THEY COMPLY WITH THE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF ISIA AND ALL OTHER REQUIREMENTS.
ISIA standards don't require mutual acknowledgement of national training. The aim of any training must enable all candidates to give professional ski lessons.
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I saw all that. My understanding was that if you are L3, then they 'recognize' you.
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I saw all that. My understanding was that if you are L3, then they 'recognize' you.
As I understand ISIA do not have classifications, you are either accepted as a qualified instructor by them or you don't.
"ISIA standards don't require mutual acknowledgement of national training." Hence each country has it's own requirement. Highest CSIA classification is Level 4 and PSIA highest classification is Level 3, BASI highest classification is Level 4. But it appears that the requirement to attain BASI Level 3 is different from CASI requirement for their Level 3.

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As I understand ISIA do not have classifications, you are either accepted as a qualified instructor by them or you don't.
"ISIA standards don't require mutual acknowledgement of national training." Hence each country has it's own requirement. Highest CSIA classification is Level 4 and PSIA highest classification is Level 3, BASI highest classification is Level 4. But it appears that the requirement to attain BASI Level 3 is different from CASI requirement for their Level 3.
Less than 2% of CSIA instructors are L4. So, in general, PSIA L3 cannot equate to CSIA L4.
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舊 2011-07-26, 08:47   #27
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Less than 2% of CSIA instructors are L4. So, in general, PSIA L3 cannot equate to CSIA L4.
If you refer to the CSIA website and its requirement (which I quoted in posting 11 & 12).
For level 3. it stated a workshop on mountain safety is included in the course.
For Level 4, it stated " In order to achieve the ISIA status the AST (Avalanche Skill Training) course or its equivalent is mandatory."

In any case, if you have CSIA Level 3 certification, I'm sure you are recognised everywhere.
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舊 2011-08-27, 00:34   #28
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Just read an article on the ISIA minimum standard for the ISIA card.

I quote:
"It was proposed at an ISIA conference two years ago that the Eurotest should be investigated to determine if it should form part of the minimum standards required for the new ISIA Card. This new card will be a higher level than the current stamp and somewhat analogous to a BASI ISIA and ISTD levels. ISIA reviewed and reported their findings to members in May 08 and recommended REJECTING the Eurotest as the basis for the Card. This motion was approved and it was recommended that a similar but fairer race test be introduced to determine a minimum standard for the ISIA Card. This technique test is outlined here http://www.isiaski.org/download/rule...tandard_en.pdf and was tested in Davos in Nov 08

The appears to a GS test to FIS regulations with the reference skiers having between 45-55 FIS points. The Pass time is +12.5% for males against the reference skier but the crucial difference is that the reference skiers are not Calibrated back to 0 FIS points like the eurotest nor will have individual coefficients. Also important is that an average of the both runs of both reference skiers times will be used to set the base time unlike the Eurotest. Apparently the review showed that applying a coefficient against reference skiers and only using the fastest opening times dramatically skewed the pass results and made them unreliable.

It would be interesting to see what FIS points 55 +12.5% equates to... anyone fancy a go at working that out.

As a temporary measure Snow sports instructors with the highest national training from the following countries already meet the ISIA minimum standard for the ISIA card: Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Japan, Great Britain, Italy, Holland, Spain, Switzerland.

Note that Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the USA's highest ratings do not currently qualify, I think mainly due to a lack of mountain security training and race test.

The Canadian, USA and Australian systems do not qualify and they will need to add a race test and mountain security training to get the Card status if they wish their programmes to be ISIA recognised, of course they don't have to do this. The debate was should the race be the current eurotest and the answer was no and a new minimum test criteria has been developed. My guess would be that the Eurogroup will carry on with the Eurotest and other nations will implement this new test but time will tell. The ISIA test sound to me to be nearly as stringent but much more consistent. See here for the details on the ISIA's committe review of the Eurotest. http://www.isiaski.org/download/dv_jesolo_en.pdf "

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In one of the other ski forums, one guy who is a New Zealand Level 3 wants to know whether he is qualified to teach in France.

It was opined that being a NZ level 3, he would need to do a Swiss Patent equivalence (2 day course), if he passed that and the Eurotest, he would be eligible to work in France. On top of this, he might be required to attend the off piste courses or via BASI which would require doing the L3 log 6 tours followed by L4 off-piste training followed by the assessment.
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hi Mike and everybody
does anybody know the main different between CSIA vs CSCF???

some said
"The main difference between the CSIA philosophy and CSCF is centered around speed.
The CSIA technique is designed to maintain/control speed, where the CSCF technique is designed to generate speed.

The main difference is in phase 2 & 3 of the turn. In a CSIA turn you would be flexing down to absorb the energy created by bending the ski, in a CSCF turn you stay strong and move more inside to keep that energy stored and release it at the completion of the turn."

any other opinion????
thx
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