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舊 2012-04-30, 06:46   #46
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Please also refer to posting #8 on page 1 of this thread and for PSIA Level 3 refer to posting #15

I understand that the French ski instructor's license is the most difficult to acquire. Any info?
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I understand that the French ski instructor's license is the most difficult to acquire. Any info?
For the French, it is the "Moniteur de ski" and their organisation is SNMSF - http://www.snmsf.com/srt/extra/home

This is what I found:

The title of national ski instructor must hold a patent state sports instructor (BEES) of the first degree, or the optional Alpine Skiing Nordic background BEES first degree. The second level is only required for leadership tasks or training for teams depending on the French Ski Federation.
These patents (degrees) are issued by the Ministry of Youth, Sports and Associative Life. They include theoretical studies of bac and practical tests obviously requires a great level of skiing. The monitor should also be in possession of the certificate of first aid training (AFD). Patents granted by the French Ski Federation can in some cases to have equivalencies for the BEES. Possession of patents facilitator (BAFA or AFDB) are a plus but not essential.

The training will cost about €5400. The required level of skiing is a silver-gilt eagle for the Alpine hare, or crimson trace of the North. Training takes place in three stages, with some teaching and training on technical and security.
It can be supplemented by a BEES 2nd degree, which opens the technical adviser departmental or regional. To become national coach, he must get the 3rd degree of the same degree.

There is also a DEUST Ski, National Diploma Level Bac + 2. This diploma course provides in the passage of BEES, required for gainful employment. It prepares DEUST alternately on two years with employers from the mid-mountain recreation (qualification contract and learning). The recipient of this degree will have acquired, in addition to knowledge made by BEES in education of APN skills in management, marketing, human resources management, organizations, events, etc. ... allowing it to be better prepared to progress to management positions or assistant manager in an outdoor structure.

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Ski Instructors System & Qualifications summarised for the following countries -

Austria: Schneesportlehrer
Level 1, Anwärter: after you pass these exams you can teach beginner to lower intermediate adults and kids
Level 2, Landes: this is divided into 3 parts – Landes 1/Alpine course/ Landes 2 - after completion of these exams you are ISIA qualified
Level 3, Staatlich geprüfter Skilehrer: one of the highest qualifications in the world


Switzerland: Swiss Snowsport instructor(SSI)
You have 4 levels:
Basic education, you are only allowed to teach kids
Level 1, first qualification; after you pass these exams you can teach beginner to lower intermediate adults and kids
Level 2, after passing this exam you can teach more experienced skier & snowboarders
Level 3, after passing these exams you are ISIA qualified

France: moniteur de ski
You have 1 level, similar to Italy, the standard is a bit higher and to join you have to do an entrance examination. It is very hard to get in and your standard of skiing has to be very high. Only once you are a ski instructor you can become a snowboard instructor. You should have race experience and be an awesome skier; otherwise you have no chance passing these exams or even be allowed on the exams.

Italy: Maestri di sci
You have take an entrance exam, after this you have the first part of your exams. If you pass these, you have to do an internship in a ski school. After the internship you have to take the 2nd part of the exams and pass these. Then you have to do another year internship as a ski school instructor assistant. Then follows the third part of the exams, pass these and you are a maestro di sci, an Italian ski instructor.

America: PSIA
Level 1, first qualification after you pass these exams you can teach the basics to adults and kids
Level 2, after passing these test you can teach more experienced people
Level 3, after passing these exams you are ISIA qualified

Canada: CSIA
Level 1, first qualification; after you pass these exams you can teach the basics to adults and kids
Level 2, after passing this exam you can teach more experienced people
Level 3, the same as above, only difference more insight
Level 4, after passing these exams you are ISIA qualified
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舊 2012-04-30, 11:50   #49
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It will be so easy that everyone can get BASI's certifications because it is all about money, right?

For PSIA, there is no such thing for people to get any certification by taking training seminas or camps. PSIA also has a requirement on the number of teaching hours, which means that a certified instructor must be an instructor. Starting next season, PSIA adds more requirements - NASTAR Silver for L2 skiing, and NASTAR Gold for L3 skiing.
Snowrider, you are wrong.
My point is it is not cheap to get a ski instructor qualification. It is not the same as taking ski lessons.

In posting #5, for PSIA,it stated "In between the exams are training requirements, requirements for specified hours of teaching experience, teaching clinics, and written confirmation of having met these requirements by your ski school director."

In posting #6, for BASI Level 1, it stated, "35 Logged Hours Ski School Experience" as pre-requisites for Level 1.

In posting #7, for BASI level 2, it stated, "An additional 35 hours of shadow teaching is required between completion of the Alpine Level 1 Instructor course and application for the Alpine Level 2 Instructor course."

In posting #8 for BASI Level 3, it stated "200 logged teaching hours" as one of the requirements.

In posting #9 for BASI Level 4, also "200 logged teaching hours"

So, you see BASI is not all about money. The teaching hours requirements are required before you are allowed to take the exam. Both PSIA and BASI require extensive teaching experience. What is the qualification for - teaching isn't it?

However, I am not sure about the course run by Rookie Academy, you might get CSIA or NZIA level 3 qualification with them without extensive teaching experience. I'm not sure, need to check.
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舊 2012-05-16, 18:27   #50
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Do i need to do take revision course after like 2 or 3 years after passed the CSIA exam?
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Do i need to do take revision course after like 2 or 3 years after passed the CSIA exam?
Every 3 years, you must complete a PDP (Personal Development Program) as indicated by the recall year on your membership card.

If you pass a higher level, your recall date gets reset, i.e. if you take a level 1 in 2008, then pass your level 2 in 2009, your recall date will be 3 years from 2009.

If you're in a position where you can't take a PDP by your required date for whatever reason, you can still resume teaching when you come back, you just need to take a refresher PDP when you start.
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舊 2012-05-19, 02:14   #52
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I think it's not a "must" (not 100% sure). You can still teach or take next level of certification after recall year. New course contents and materials are developed every 1-3 season. Recall is a recommendation to refresh and update your knowledge before you start your season or higher cert.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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舊 2012-05-23, 16:20   #53
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Japanese qualifications

For the Japanese, I think there are 2 different organisations running a separate "Badge" system, SAJ (Ski Association of Japan) and SIA (Ski Instructor Association). There is also the JSBA (Japan Snow Board Association) for snowboard only.
SAJ has 5 levels, Level 5 being the highest.

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日本的SAJ 的SKI考試分好多級 (我是說SKI 的場合..)
1~5級..
一般可直接考2級
2級 PASS 後可以考1級

再 PASS 的話上面就是準指導員
最 TOP 係指導員 ..
考過準指要過3年自可以考指導員

準指以上有筆試.研討會.全部日文

但如果佢肯開係FOR外國人用的考試就另計..雖然我未聽過-_-

因此...
我覺得想係日本SKI 學校打個工..至小要有SAJ 的2級程度...
同埋一定的日文水準...
我個間SKI 學校..都係得我一個外國人.而且D人英文真係唔係好掂.....仲有上下關係好麻煩
但會係平時上堂下課..冇學生個陣教我地D老師..所以得幾正:)
但人工真係得好小好小好小....-_-我個間就係睇程度而俾幾錢...:D

Here below shows what to expect for the Level 1 and Level 2 SAJ badge test:










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舊 2012-05-24, 21:00   #54
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For New Zealand, refer to NZSIA website http://www.nzsia.org/
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Bob Barnes answered the difference between PSIA and CSIA certification:

"I do not think that anyone would try to compare CSIA Level 4 with PSIA Level 3. Although the standards are not identical, the levels for PSIA and CSIA Levels 1, 2, and 3 are very similar. Beyond that, CSIA has "Level 4," while PSIA has what is variously referred to as "Trainer Accreditation," "Development Team," "Apprentice Examiner," or the like, depending on the division. (PSIA consists of a number of regional divisions that are each somewhat autonomous, while all under the wing of PSIA-National.)

At least in PSIA, Level 3 is what is referred to as "Full Certification," essentially meaning that it represents a level of skiing proficiency, knowledge, understanding, experience, and teaching ability sufficient to teach pretty much anyone, in pretty much any condition and terrain (all but the very most extreme, in my opinion). I believe CSIA Level 3 is similar. Although many instructors informally refer to our "Trainer Accreditation" (now known as "Rocky Mountain Trainer") as Level 4, it is not officially called that, because the intent is that the job of a "Level 4 instructor" begins to shift more toward training of instructors and perhaps eventually to becoming an Examiner, rather than teaching the public. Not all instructors aspire to become trainers, for any number of reasons, so we have kept the designation of Full Certified Instructor for Level 3.

I may be mistaken, but I believe that CSIA's Level 4 is similar, in that most Level 4's do serve as trainers, and Examiners are selected from the Level 4 pool.

CSIA Level 4 and PSIA's equivalent--Trainer/DevTeam/etc.--represent a step beyond both PSIA and CSIA Level 3 in general. I still think it's important to recognize, though, that in addition to a higher performance standard, there is also a bit of a shift of emphasis toward instructor training, whereas the Cert Levels 1-3 focus on teaching the public."

Having said that it is my understanding that ISIA is not happy with PSIA Level 3s being eligible for ISIA. They have begrudgingly agreed to do this because it's the top certification in PSIA. There are "requirements" (e.g. speaking a second language) that are not met by PSIA.
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舊 2012-05-26, 11:45   #56
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I am glad that Bob Barnes is explaining CSIA and PSIA levels.

Basically he is saying that PSIA level 3 equates to CSIA level 3, and NOT 4.

As I have mentioned that there are less than 3% of CSIA level 4's among all Canadian instructors.
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I am glad that Bob Barnes is explaining CSIA and PSIA levels.

Basically he is saying that PSIA level 3 equates to CSIA level 3, and NOT 4.

As I have mentioned that there are less than 3% of CSIA level 4's among all Canadian instructors.
CSIA has a 20,000+ membership base, I believe there are around 600 CSIA Level 4s. And about 12-15 people get it per year, some years more, some less, so that equates to about 3% as you quoted.

PSIA is different, their top level is Level 3. Thus there are a lot more of them. As I was told PSIA Level 3 represents around 20% of their membership base. There have been long arguments about whether PSIA should have a new Level 4 classification and there are still lots of voices against this proposal.

In all organizations - PSIA, CSIA, NZSIA, BASI etc., remember that passing each certification level requires performance at the minimum level that meets the standard. There are instructors at all certification levels who vastly exceed the standard for their level, but who may not have attained the next level for any number of reasons. Many instructors do not aspire to become trainers, or simply do not feel that certification is that important in their careers and lives.

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Bob Barnes further explained that US have what they called "Trainer Accreditation" or TA (now called RMT--"Rocky Mountain Trainer"). The plan was that TA would be an examination, not a selection. The TA standard was defined to be the same as the DCL standard, but it was not a "job offer," and there were no caps or limits on the number of instructors who could pass. For all practical purposes, TA is a genuine Level 4 certification. The plan was that, when slots opened in the DCL pool, we would select from the TA pool with an interview process, but that didn't actually work out. It was five years, if I recall, before we added any more DCL's and by then, we decided that we'd need to do another on-snow evaluation, at least to verify that the skills had been maintained.

Bob Barnes further explained that one of the biggest differences, to him, between PSIA and CSIA is that the Canadian system seems to be much more of a national organization. In PSIA, while do have a "PSIA-National" umbrella, the organization is really very much a collection of autonomous regional Divisions - with sometimes poor communication between the Divisions and between National and the Divisions. We do purport to have a National Standard for certification Levels 1, 2, and 3, but nothing beyond that. And even there, each Division is responsible for training, implementing, and examining to the "National" standard as they see fit. Since we are so extremely varied in geography and demographics (both instructors and students), not to mention access to terrain and conditions, it is difficult to be truly consistent from Division to Division in how we train and examine for certification. Nevertheless, Certification 1, 2, and 3 are all recognized equally and "portable" from one Division to another. Beyond Cert. 3, it is not.

According to one ESA Coach who is certified in both PSIA and CSIA, he commented that to attain CSIA Level 4 requires a pretty substantial commitment of time and money as there are multiple prerequisites to attend before taking the final exam/tryout/interview. Consequently it becomes very difficult to achieve Level four without living and teaching in Canada, whereas the other levels can be a "show & go" one time commitment.
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To answer the question of this thread:

As John (skier) said, not many qualified ski and/or snowboard instructors in HK. If you are looking for good and highly qualified ski and/or snowboard instructors, I recommend go to ski school.



*The rest here is not related to this thread. If not interested, please ignore the rest and open another thread for further discussion.

I share my experience and what I know here. First, I've been teaching ski and snowboarding for more than 10 years and have been giving CASI courses more than 5 years.

Someone who passed an instructor certification course, it means he/she was qualified and had the skills and knowledge at that level during that season/year. After that, successful candidates has to apply what he/she learn. For example, after successfully passing L3/4, if candidates only teach beginner lessons, he/she still a good instructor, but only as an expert in beginner, and rusty in an advance lesson.

This is why during ski school interview, most ski school directors will ask you what year of your certification, how many years of teaching experience. If many years of teaching experience, then they want to know the type of teaching of experience (coaching/teaching, beginner/advance/expert, private/group). Experience can be expert in one particular field/section or knowledgeable very broadly in entire field.

Take me as an example, I have my ski and snowboard coaching cert. for many years. It was until recent 2-3 years, I started to apply what I learn from my course and coaching my athletes. An this coaching experience really help me to learn and understand new concept and other key aspects which are different from teaching public guests.

Like I mentioned before, because I spent more time in coaching, I may become rusty teaching student and giving sessions/courses. So, I continue to give training sessions and teaching public guests at ski school. I still teach ski and SB lessons, and half of my lessons are first-timers. However, to be honest, currently, I'm more a coach than an instructor.

For John, from what I understand, you have to go through a training process/profolio in US ski school to become an instructor. For example, new instructors may take a 1-2 day training workshops at the beginning. Then, new instructors may be assign to shadow with other instructors in some lessons. After accumulating enough hours, they get stamped and be qualified to take courses. After passing the course, they will get hired by ski school. I think it's good to have minimum teaching hours in course pre-requisite. As an course conductor, I like my candidates have solid teaching experience before showing up. Easier for me to explain the teaching concept. Also, it products great and constructive discussion between conductors-candidates and also candidate-candidate.

For Mike, I never heard of ISTD. Something I would like to try in the future, if possible. About the CSIA 1 instructor who cannot do wedge turn. What year of his/her cert. and are you saying that instructor cannot do wedge turn now or during the CSIA course? In snowboarding, I've seen CASI 1 instructor from west coast cannot make good turns on icy slope in east and I also know many CASI 1 from east cannot ride powder in west. More importantly, is that instructor still teaching?

Finally, correct me if I'm wrong and no offense to anyone.

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Here is a table published by PSIA listing most of the ski instructors qualifications showing which level is equivalent to what level :

http://www.psia-rm.org/ed_materials/...cy%20chart.pdf
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