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舊 2008-11-15, 13:15   #1
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Repost of "Slope8 滑雪技術討論 5 (Short Radius turn)"

All intermediate level skiers aspire to ‘master’ the short turns. However it is difficult to perform the short turns well without first getting all the basics right:

- Body always facing the fall line
- No upper body rotations
- Steering by ankle, knee, and thigh
- Good pivoting skill
- Good solid pole plants
- Good rhythm and timing

There are several different ‘ways’ to ski short turns: from a high degree of carving to more pivoting with less edging.

1. The following video clip shows Steve Smart (CSIA demo team member) doing ‘carving short radius’ turns:

http://www.slope8.com/jn/CarvingShortRadius.mov

As the audio explains:
a. Wider stance than normal
b. Focus on knees moving inside quickly before the fall line.

Unless you are an expert skier, this type of carving short radius turns is very difficult to perform. There is very early edging and little pivoting (small steering angle).
One has to ski fast and very fast edge change.


2. The following video shows short radius turns with larger steering angle and a bit slower skiing:

http://www.slope8.com/jn/ShortTurn.m1v

a. The legs are closer together.
b. Notice where and how the poles are planted.
c. Very rhythmic pole plant and steering motions


3. This type of short radius turns is a little easier for us to emulate:

http://www.slope8.com/jn/bartbarczynski.wmv

In this video one can also see a distinct transfer of weight from one ski to the other and the ski is lifted. I guess this is a habit from the older style one-footed skiing. But when he flattens the new outside ski and rolled onto the new edge, weight is put back onto the new inside ski and the angles matched. This is perfectly fine, and I like his relaxed skiing style.
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舊 2010-07-28, 19:39   #2
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This showing the short radius turns:


此篇文章於 2011-08-27 17:54 被 Mike 編輯。. 原因: Replace broken link.
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舊 2010-07-30, 08:35   #3
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This showing the short radius turns (originally posted by "ader" in his website)

The skier is the same as the third video, " the one lift the tail of the new inside ski"
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舊 2010-07-30, 22:34   #4
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The skier is the same as the third video, " the one lift the tail of the new inside ski"

Hey Mckay, this is exactly what your 帥夫 Bart Barczynski does it too:

http://www.slope8.com/jn/bartbarczynski.wmv
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舊 2010-09-08, 04:47   #5
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Great short turn video by Steve Young, CSIA Level 4



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舊 2010-09-08, 11:22   #6
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Great short turn video by Steve Young, CSIA Level 4




I like this one much more than Bart's one. Can you explain the difference?
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舊 2010-09-09, 03:32   #7
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I like this one much more than Bart's one. Can you explain the difference?

You are the teaching pro, you tell me

Except at the end of the video which shows quicker short turns, otherwise it is all very smooth skiing with 'rounded' turns.

Bart is good too with only quick short turns here, but he lifts the tail of his uphill skis whcih you do not like

(but 'lifting' the non-stance ski is the way many pros skis especially with the PMTS method)
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舊 2010-09-09, 13:16   #8
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You are the teaching pro, you tell me

Except at the end of the video which shows quicker short turns, otherwise it is all very smooth skiing with 'rounded' turns.

Bart is good too with only quick short turns here, but he lifts the tail of his uphill skis whcih you do not like

(but 'lifting' the non-stance ski is the way many pros skis especially with the PMTS method)
You are wrong, I was never a teachng pro. Now, I am a blowing water ski pro.

Honestly, there is still a lot of thing in sking I don't understand. Just like bart and
Steve' short turn, if i know the difference, I can at least do the one I like on the gentle slope.

I also lift up the tail of the new inside ski, it help turning quite a bit.

By the way, so we have a chance skiing together this season. May be join Ryan's tour to Whistler.
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舊 2010-10-22, 10:18   #9
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Here is a Japanese video on short turn:

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舊 2010-10-22, 11:17   #10
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Here is a Japanese video on short turn:
Nice video . BTW, I like this video too. 丸山貴雄 demonstrates the latest short turns and bump techniques.

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舊 2010-11-14, 07:07   #11
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Demonstration of dynamic short turns:

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舊 2010-11-16, 17:57   #12
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Demonstration of dynamic short turns:
Some skiers demonstrate the dynamic short turns in the video. Which one you like most?
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舊 2011-08-01, 01:39   #13
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All intermediate level skiers aspire to ‘master’ the short turns. However it is difficult to perform the short turns well without first getting all the basics right:

- Body always facing the fall line
- No upper body rotations
- Steering by ankle, knee, and thigh
- Good pivoting skill
- Good solid pole plants
- Good rhythm and timing

There are several different ‘ways’ to ski short turns: from a high degree of carving to more pivoting with less edging.

1. The following video clip shows Steve Smart (CSIA demo team member) doing ‘carving short radius’ turns:

http://www.slope8.com/jn/CarvingShortRadius.mov

As the audio explains:
a. Wider stance than normal
b. Focus on knees moving inside quickly before the fall line.

Unless you are an expert skier, this type of carving short radius turns is very difficult to perform. There is very early edging and little pivoting (small steering angle).
One has to ski fast and very fast edge change.


2. The following video shows short radius turns with larger steering angle and a bit slower skiing:

http://www.slope8.com/jn/ShortTurn.m1v

a. The legs are closer together.
b. Notice where and how the poles are planted.
c. Very rhythmic pole plant and steering motions


3. This type of short radius turns is a little easier for us to emulate:

http://www.slope8.com/jn/bartbarczynski.wmv

In this video one can also see a distinct transfer of weight from one ski to the other and the ski is lifted. I guess this is a habit from the older style one-footed skiing. But when he flattens the new outside ski and rolled onto the new edge, weight is put back onto the new inside ski and the angles matched. This is perfectly fine, and I like his relaxed skiing style.
I've come across a term like "Railway/railroad track" turns. Does it fall into any of the catagory mentioned above?
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舊 2011-08-01, 09:09   #14
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I've come across a term like "Railway/railroad track" turns. Does it fall into any of the catagory mentioned above?
The idea of railroad track turns is to start your turn with no rotation, just by tipping your skis on edge. This starts a very long radius turn where the difference in radius between the inside and outside ski doesn't cause them to cross immediately.
If you do them right, the turning forces build and there is a passive weight shift to the outside ski, which bends more and eventually shortens the turning radius.
At some point the inside ski becomes lighter and straighter (from less pressure) and needs to be steered to avoid crossing the outside ski, but you can usually get a couple of long radius turns in before that happens.
This drill is fun because it gets fast real quick even on easier terrain. You steer your inside ski because your ouside ski is more heavily weighted and hook up on edge. Your inside ski is lighter and therefore more steerable. You can't bend your inside ski more than your outside without putting more pressure on the inside than the outside, the ski with the most weight on it will always bend the most.

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舊 2011-08-01, 09:25   #15
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BUT the comments on YouTube on this instructor's demo is bad
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