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舊 2008-08-06, 22:15   #1
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I heard skiboard is more dangerous than normal skis. Because the binding is either non-releasable or not specially designed for snowblade. Beside if you somehow have ski on soft snow and one ski on hard pack the one on the softsnow might just sink and put you very out of balance.

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此篇文章於 2008-08-08 10:05 被 Mike 編輯。. 原因: Extract from other threads to start a new discussion
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舊 2008-08-07, 00:33   #2
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I heard skiboard is more dangerous than normal skis. Because the binding is either non-releasable or not specially designed for snowblade. Beside if you somehow have ski on soft snow and one ski on hard pack the one on the softsnow might just sink and put you very out of balance.
謝謝你關心!不過我唔係高手!我只係在初級雪道玩玩姐!我上年在藏王玩幾日!反而玩正常ski我一點都玩唔到,果時我唔開心成晚,第二日租個員工叫我地玩skiboard,我和我女友一玩便上手,重好開心,可能我在思樂學啦!

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Do you mean ski blades about 80 cm long?
係啊!大約80cm啦!你有無玩過!都幾好玩架!
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舊 2008-08-07, 07:01   #3
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Carver's comment about the danger of snow-blades is correct basically due to lack of binding release.

The reason you found that snow-blades being much easier because it is not that easy to turn the 'longer' skis. With short skis, you can pivot like wind shield wipers.

But this is not the way to ski.

Just like a driving a car, the back tyres should follow the track of the front tyres when you turn.

You should take a few lessons. With proper learning, you should be able to handle 140-150 cm skis easily. In the long run, it will be more fun and better control.
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舊 2008-08-07, 11:28   #4
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I heard skiboard is more dangerous than normal skis. Because the binding is either non-releasable or not specially designed for snowblade. Beside if you somehow have ski on soft snow and one ski on hard pack the one on the softsnow might just sink and put you very out of balance.
More about snow blade related injury explained in the following website:
http://www.ski-injury.com/specific-sports/skiboard
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舊 2008-08-07, 15:22   #5
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There are short ski with binding like normal ski. It will release you. It is not as short as snowblage but it is very close.

I saw some people playing snowblage in Niseko but mostly concentrate at the bottom slopes. It is rare to see someone with snowblage at top of the Niseko perhaps due to the fact that it will not get enough upward floating force in powder snow.
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舊 2008-08-07, 23:09   #6
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The link provided by Mike's posting above does show photos of skiboards (this is what it is called as knyk originally called it) with normal bindings:

http://www.ski-injury.com/specific-sports/skiboard

But this is what it says:

"So, if the presence of non-release bindings is the likely cause of all these lower limb injuries, why not stick a standard alpine release binding onto skiboards? This might seem like a simple solution, but unfortunately there was (as ever!) a snag. Computer modelling has demonstrated that an alpine binding responds differently on a skiboard compared to a ski. This is basically because many of the forces that cause a binding to release on a ski are generated along the front of the ski. The shorter length of a skiboard means that different forces are generated which are usually not sufficient to cause a release at the heel. The upshot is that the heel release may not release in time in the event of (for example) running into soft snow. Result? - probable lower leg fracture(s). The forward release at the toe seems to be unaffected by this so the binding should release at the toe in the event of a twisting force. A potential solution to this problem is to fit a riser plate under the binding ......"
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舊 2008-08-09, 10:33   #7
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I skied with ppl using snowblades(snowboard) before. Once was in Whistler with Leo and the other time was with a Taiwanese Guy from the Netherlands in Wengen, Swiss. Since we go everywhere on the montain, they do follow the group. IMHO, those short skis are not stable on intermediate slopes, and become dangerous on steeper slopes. It maybe easy to let the bignners to learn, but as soon as you get a hang of it, should switch to regular skis as soon as possible. Loe and the Guy from The Netherlands had only tried them for one day and never saw them using the snowblades any more. In the rental shop, perhaps one or two pairs are avilable, whereas hundres of regular skis are rented every day.
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舊 2008-08-09, 11:49   #8
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I had tried the snowblade because of its funny look. After 1 day I gave up. I am used to normal skis and when I skiied on the snowblade it's so uncomfortable, very shocky and unstable especially on icy slopes and that cause pain in the knees. The edge can hardly dig into the icy surface. And because of that, the terrain you can ski with snowblades is very limited. And it is so troublesome to put on. If you are used to normal skis, you will find it even more difficult to ski with. I heard that the snowblades are designed to play/learn tricks. It's hard to imagine how to play tricks with its unstability. With the long skis you can use the tip or tail to remedy when your COM is out of balance. With snowblades, you can do nothing except fall. It's even harder to imagine using snowblades to jump kickers. For beginners like me, we used to lean forward too much so as to avoid falling using the ski tips. Without the tips, we will only do a face plant and eat snow.
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舊 2008-08-09, 21:26   #9
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For beginners like me, we used to lean forward too much so as to avoid falling using the ski tips. Without the tips, we will only do a face plant and eat snow.
1. You are modest :)

2. You lean forward - that is good -- we all lean backward in fear.
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舊 2008-08-10, 00:00   #10
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I mean in jumping kickers, I usually lean forward (in fact more than necessary). You will not fall by leaning forwards too much unless it's very very much. But if you lean backwards even by a bit, you will fall for sure.
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舊 2008-08-10, 07:38   #11
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I have to disagree most of you here.

First, we've been providing snowblade lesson in our ski week package for numerous years. For us, we consider snowblade as a tool to develop skill like for/aft balance.

Injuries: Whether injuries are caused by binding non-releasable, I'm not an expert so let the scientist to find out (Please not that snowboard bindings are also non-releasable). However, most injuries are caused by human error like lack of knowledge, under/over estimation and fatigue. I've known people who has been snowblading for many year, but I haven't seen any huge accident from them. Most minor accidents are like fall back and tripped over, but that also happened in skiing and snowboarding (may be more frequently in snowblade). I believe this can be avoid with skiing in control speed.

Jumps: If you want to do well in jumps, of course you need to wear/use proper equipment like freestyle ski/board. Snowblade is not design for huge kicker and half-pipe. However, they are good for practising tricks and spinning (it is definitely easier to do 360 on snowblade than on ski). The instability on landing is due to the small base of support. Therefore, it is also a great tool to develop proper balance on landing.

Terrain accessibility: If I can use my snowboard to stand/ride on a slope with one edge, then I'm sure snowblade can and it may be easier (except may be in deep powder). I've seen coaches coming down on a snowboard PGS track with snowblade and they've helped sideslipping the course. However, in certain situation, it is not recommend. For example, ski patrol won't wear snowblade rescuing victims and skier won't wear it in backcountry area.

Difficult to put on: I think it is a flexibility problem. It's just like can you touch your toes with your fingers. In snowboard, certain type of riders will never be able to get up on heel side on flat spot. They have to roll over and get up on their toe side edge. It does not bother them because they love this sport. In fact, I often have trouble to put on my SB bindings after lunch.

My point is that anything is dangerous if you don't have proper training and enough milage. If you find the passion in it, you will love risk and danger in it. Once you know how to use it, it will become your tool. Sometimes, after many days of skiing and snowboarding, I will snowblade to stimulate my body and my mind.

Side note: I heard people practice on snowblade to prepare this competition, Ice-cross (may be in other names). It becomes one of the favourite events during winter in Quebec city recently. Here is a video from 2007:
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舊 2008-08-10, 09:40   #12
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I heard people practice on snowblade to prepare this competition, Ice-cross (may be in other names). It becomes one of the favourite events during winter in Quebec city recently. Here is a video from 2007
Ice-cross use ice skates, and should be practiced with ice stakes -- I doubt that they use snowblades to practice on.
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舊 2008-08-10, 11:23   #13
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I have to disagree most of you here.Jumps: If you want to do well in jumps, of course you need to wear/use proper equipment like freestyle ski/board. Snowblade is not design for huge kicker and half-pipe. However, they are good for practising tricks and spinning (it is definitely easier to do 360 on snowblade than on ski). The instability on landing is due to the small base of support. Therefore, it is also a great tool to develop proper balance on landing.

Terrain accessibility: If I can use my snowboard to stand/ride on a slope with one edge, then I'm sure snowblade can and it may be easier (except may be in deep powder). I've seen coaches coming down on a snowboard PGS track with snowblade and they've helped sideslipping the course. However, in certain situation, it is not recommend. For example, ski patrol won't wear snowblade rescuing victims and skier won't wear it in backcountry area.

Difficult to put on: I think it is a flexibility problem. It's just like can you touch your toes with your fingers. In snowboard, certain type of riders will never be able to get up on heel side on flat spot. They have to roll over and get up on their toe side edge. It does not bother them because they love this sport. In fact, I often have trouble to put on my SB bindings after lunch.
Side note: I heard people practice on snowblade to prepare this competition, Ice-cross (may be in other names). It becomes one of the favourite events during winter in Quebec city recently.
I agree with your explanation/analysis. That's why I found it more difficult when I am used to ski with normal skis.

I think it may be a good idea to practice ice-cross with snowblades. It's more stable comparing with ice skate and...............................Most people without proper training ski like skating with snowblades............I mean the ice-cross racers can make the skating move with snowblade and practice with its higher stability than ice skate:D
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舊 2008-08-10, 19:39   #14
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I think it may be a good idea to practice ice-cross with snowblades. It's more stable comparing with ice skate and...............................Most people without proper training ski like skating with snowblades............I mean the ice-cross racers can make the skating move with snowblade and practice with its higher stability than ice skate:D
I don't think snowblade has higher stability than ice skates in ice-cross. The video clip showed that the contestents using hockey skates. The shorter and narrower blade of hockey skates can give the best maneuver on ice.
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舊 2008-08-12, 05:23   #15
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Ice-cross use ice skates, and should be practiced with ice stakes -- I doubt that they use snowblades to practice on.
The reason is that there are no downhill ice for training. Therefore, snowblade will give a good downhill training purpose during winter. There are similar sport in summer like downhill inline speed skating during 1998 X-Game ( http://www.nettracing.com/video.htm ) and Top Challenge in Montreal (
at 1:58s).

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