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舊 2013-03-18, 12:19   #16
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Forward lean and Ramp angle

Most of not all ski boots in the market have a "forward lean" angle range from 12 to 18 degrees.
Zeppa angles from 4 to 8 degrees.
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舊 2013-06-23, 09:10   #17
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Just some more info on "Forward lean" :

Forward lean angle of some Salomon ski boots -
Salomon Impact - 15.5 degrees
Salomon Falcon (which became the X3) - close to 17 degrees
Salomon X max and the X Pro - 13.5 degrees

For Lange RX / RS the forward lean on them is 12.5 degrees

Note: a more upright boot will allow better skeletal stacking which will reduce pressure on the knees and give you a solid starting point for the turn
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舊 2013-09-07, 06:26   #18
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"Shell fit" was mentioned in posting #1, to elaborate "shell fit" a bit more:

1) What is the shell fit like for length?
Remove the liner, put your foot in the shell only, have your toes lightly touching the front of the boot and see how much room is behind your heel and the boots shell. Use a pen as a spacer and measure this for thickness. You want 5-15mm (3/16 to 5/8 inch) of room. If you have more then 25mm (1") - Stop!

2) What is the shell fit like for width?
Now center your foot front to back, (same amount of room behind the toe and heel) and is the width of your foot touching the sides of the boots shell? You want anything from lightly brushing to 2mm per side. If you have 3mm per side - Stop!

So, if your boot is within all of the above parameters then you can proceed with the boot fitting process.
If your boot is just too big it is not worth working on. Your foot will still move around; you have to over-tighten the buckles, and cramp to foot and cut off circulation. Your boots are too big, and nothing will make that much better. Don’t waste your time, and money fixing a broken leg with plasters. You need boots that are 1-2 sizes smaller. If you really want work on what you have, a boot fitter can do some-things, but it will not get much better,


does the shell fit optimum length and width (5-15mm length, 2mm width) go the same for snowboard boot-fitting?
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舊 2013-09-07, 14:11   #19
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does the shell fit optimum length and width (5-15mm length, 2mm width) go the same for snowboard boot-fitting?
I wasn't aware that snowboard boot has a shell like ski boots unless it is a pair of hard boots. For hard boots, the answer is Yes.

May be you should start a new thread in the snowboard equipment section, other snowboarders will give you a better answer.
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舊 2014-03-05, 17:52   #20
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ski boot is "lifted"

Recently read a discussion in another ski forum. someone asked what does "lifted" ski boots mean?

A very experienced boot-fitter explained that there are some boots in the market, such as the Atomic Redster 160/170 which are listed as "lifted" in the catalogue

What this means is the thickness of the sole of the boot is increased by 3-5mm, the sole is non-DIN ISO norm, it will not fit into a binding prior to being ground back to DIN/ ISO specification, this is on most factory world cup boots and allows the technician to alter stance/cant without the need to add a plate for initial testing

These boots still fall within FIS regulations, they just have a bit more material for the tech to play with, if you are buying a set of this type of boot make sure the place you are getting them from:
1 has the tools to cut the soles back to DIN /ISO norms
2 has the skills to do the job properly
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舊 2014-03-21, 16:39   #21
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"Shell fit" was mentioned in posting #1, to elaborate "shell fit" a bit more:

1) What is the shell fit like for length?
Remove the liner, put your foot in the shell only, have your toes lightly touching the front of the boot and see how much room is behind your heel and the boots shell. Use a pen as a spacer and measure this for thickness. You want 5-15mm (3/16 to 5/8 inch) of room. If you have more then 25mm (1") - Stop!

2) What is the shell fit like for width?
Now center your foot front to back, (same amount of room behind the toe and heel) and is the width of your foot touching the sides of the boots shell? You want anything from lightly brushing to 2mm per side. If you have 3mm per side - Stop!

So, if your boot is within all of the above parameters then you can proceed with the boot fitting process.
If your boot is just too big it is not worth working on. Your foot will still move around; you have to over-tighten the buckles, and cramp to foot and cut off circulation. Your boots are too big, and nothing will make that much better. Don’t waste your time, and money fixing a broken leg with plasters. You need boots that are 1-2 sizes smaller. If you really want work on what you have, a boot fitter can do some-things, but it will not get much better,
Mike......Maybe I should take lesson from you
What about the "throat"......Heel width.......instep.......
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舊 2014-03-21, 21:24   #22
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What about the "throat"......Heel width.......instep.......
For the "throat", I was talking to a boot fitter in UK last year about problem with skiers with big calf. I was told there is a special tool to stretch and expand the cuff of the ski boots, he also said that the average ski boot is designed to optimally accept a calf circumference at the top of the shell of 13"-14" and for every 1" over this you are being pushed forward 1/3" so someone with a 17" circumference calf is being pushed forward and out of balance by 1".

The proper tools to expand the cuff properly are not common, there are a few in the USA/Canada, one in the UK and one in France. Many fitters do the job by using a variety of things to do it including litre wine bottles, but the disadvantage of doing this is each boot is done individually meaning you might get close to a pair but cannot guarantee it. The special jig is designed and built by a fitter in the US and does the boots as a pair, http://www.southernski.com/toe-jam-s...stretcher.html
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